Steve Smith and Cameron Wolfe discuss Bryce and the Receiving Corps

[jfra78]

 

 

[panthers55]

If you think about it receiver by committee means you can't shut us down by concentrating on 1 or 2 players. Instead of 1 1400 yards receiver we might have 3 guys with 500 yards a piece. Instead of a negative it could be a positive.

[shaqattaq]

Good segment. I love the back and forth between Smitty and Wolfe

[Prowler2k18]

18 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

If you think about it receiver by committee means you can't shut us down by concentrating on 1 or 2 players. Instead of 1 1400 yards receiver we might have 3 guys with 500 yards a piece. Instead of a negative it could be a positive.

KC and Philly has a similar offensive philosophy. Sure you have your Devonte Smith, AJ Brown and Travis Kelsey all-pro receivers but these teams effectively spread the ball around to different backs and receivers to keep opposing defenses guessing. I can see the Panthers following suit at least to a degree under Reich.

[jfra78]

13 minutes ago, shaqattaq said:

Good segment. I love the back and forth between Smitty and Wolfe

The best part was that the third guy didn't say much

[shaqattaq]

10 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

The best part was that the third guy didn't say much

Because Smitty told him to sit down and STFU, the grown ups were talking, lol.

[WhoKnows]

21 minutes ago, Prowler2k18 said:

KC and Philly has a similar offensive philosophy. Sure you have your Devonte Smith, AJ Brown and Travis Kelsey all-pro receivers but these teams effectively spread the ball around to different backs and receivers to keep opposing defenses guessing. I can see the Panthers following suit at least to a degree under Reich.

This spread the ball around stuff isn’t that big a deal. KC also won a SB with Kelce and Hill having the overwhelming targets compared to last year. The common denominator is Mahomes. Hurts and the running game/OL was another common denominator, but Philly didn’t spread the ball around. Smith and Brown had 2700 yards and the rest of the WRs had 500 yards. Heck, Brown and Smith had 2/3rds of all passing yards including RBs and TEs.

Minnesota isn’t upset they have JJ and Cincy has done great with Chase and Higgins and Buffalo wouldn’t be as effective without Diggs.

Spreading the ball around means the WRs have to get open. Olsen and Cam’s running, along with the OL got WRs open in 2015 but having a stud WR would have absolutely helped the offense. It’s silly to think otherwise.

If our WRs don’t get separation, spreading the ball around won’t work. Young and the OL will hopefully assist with that but just having a group of guys without a standout doesn’t make the offense better. That group of guys need to get open. Stud WRs are always open.

Edited July 11, 2023 by WhoKnows

[CarolinaRideorDie]

56 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

If you think about it receiver by committee means you can't shut us down by concentrating on 1 or 2 players. Instead of 1 1400 yards receiver we might have 3 guys with 500 yards a piece. Instead of a negative it could be a positive.

I think the biggest question mark about our WR room is that we don't have an alpha to take over games. Sure maybe we can spread the ball around but you need a clutch receiver to make the big plays when it matters most too. Allen without Diggs is nothing, Kirk without Jefferson is nothing, Mahomes without Kelce is above average. Even Rodgers without WRs is mediocre this past year and Rodgers is a HOF QB. 

[panthers55]

19 minutes ago, CarolinaRideorDie said:

I think the biggest question mark about our WR room is that we don't have an alpha to take over games. Sure maybe we can spread the ball around but you need a clutch receiver to make the big plays when it matters most too. Allen without Diggs is nothing, Kirk without Jefferson is nothing, Mahomes without Kelce is above average. Even Rodgers without WRs is mediocre this past year and Rodgers is a HOF QB. 

If you have a guy like Thielen you have a reliable 3rd down option.  Having a huge stud at WR which is where you go all the time can be shut down easily enough if the defense keys on them. Then you need other guys to step up to take the pressure and keep teams from shutting down key players. Belichick loves to face teams with only 1 or big WR studs. He shuts them down and makes other guys beat you.

[WhoKnows]

7 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

If you have a guy like Thielen you have a reliable 3rd down option.  Having a huge stud at WR which is where you go all the time can be shut down easily enough if the defense keys on them. Then you need other guys to step up to take the pressure and keep teams from shutting down key players. Belichick loves to face teams with only 1 or big WR studs. He shuts them down and makes other guys beat you.

Elite WRs are not shut down easily, but having a Higgins is huge for Burrow and Chase. Same with Hill having Kelce before and Waddle now. JJ and Chase still make plays while double teamed.

Also, Belichick isn’t every coach. The reason he’s always been effective at targeting a specific player or weakness (like letting Blount roll Indy’s weak run D) is because of how NE drafts/signs FAs. They spend way more on D than most. Brady is Brady but he always had top Ds and always had solid secondaries. He’s had 11 different DBs make the Probowl or All Pro since he’s been the coach including most being multi-year.

[panthers55]

1 hour ago, WhoKnows said:

Elite WRs are not shut down easily, but having a Higgins is huge for Burrow and Chase. Same with Hill having Kelce before and Waddle now. JJ and Chase still make plays while double teamed.

Also, Belichick isn’t every coach. The reason he’s always been effective at targeting a specific player or weakness (like letting Blount roll Indy’s weak run D) is because of how NE drafts/signs FAs. They spend way more on D than most. Brady is Brady but he always had top Ds and always had solid secondaries. He’s had 11 different DBs make the Probowl or All Pro since he’s been the coach including most being multi-year.

Actually there are several strategies to shut down a great offense with stud receivers and good defenses know these. How many yards did Kelsey get in their superbowl loss to Tampa in Superbowl 55 ( 31-9).  Yeah Kelsey had 10 catches for 133 yards which is great right. But no TDs and only a few first downs and Hill had 73 yards. So they shut them both down from scoring which is the point. If your offense puts up 400 yards but only a few points you are going to lose. Belichick will often target the number 2 receiver with their best corner and double your number 1 guy. The point is that Football is a team game and the goal is to shop the opposition from scoring. But he isn't the only coach who uses the strategy of targeting the defense to shut down players.

Many coaches will let one receiver get his catches and then shut other folks down knowing that one player can't carry the offense and the goal is scoring points not counting yards or catches. 

How about in 2005 when Smitty reeked havoc on teams and Seattle often triple teamed him because we had no other stud receivers and no running game. 

You can shut down any player you want as long as other guys don't step up. 

[CarolinaRideorDie]

56 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Actually there are several strategies to shut down a great offense with stud receivers and good defenses know these. How many yards did Kelsey get in their superbowl loss to Tampa in Superbowl 55 ( 31-9).  Yeah Kelsey had 10 catches for 133 yards which is great right. But no TDs and only a few first downs and Hill had 73 yards. So they shut them both down from scoring which is the point. If your offense puts up 400 yards but only a few points you are going to lose. Belichick will often target the number 2 receiver with their best corner and double your number 1 guy. The point is that Football is a team game and the goal is to shop the opposition from scoring. But he isn't the only coach who uses the strategy of targeting the defense to shut down players.

Many coaches will let one receiver get his catches and then shut other folks down knowing that one player can't carry the offense and the goal is scoring points not counting yards or catches. 

How about in 2005 when Smitty reeked havoc on teams and Seattle often triple teamed him because we had no other stud receivers and no running game. 

You can shut down any player you want as long as other guys don't step up. 

You're pointing out individual games that a receiver was shutdown, look at their season in it's entirety where they put up numbers and contributed to their team. Stud receivers are "game changers," they may not dominate every single game of the entire season but they make you game plan for them. No one on the Panthers WR needs to be game planned for, this makes it easier to shut down our offense. 

[mccjeff]

Going to be fun watching the games to see who’s right in this debate.

[CRA]

5 hours ago, panthers55 said:

If you have a guy like Thielen you have a reliable 3rd down option.  Having a huge stud at WR which is where you go all the time can be shut down easily enough if the defense keys on them. Then you need other guys to step up to take the pressure and keep teams from shutting down key players. Belichick loves to face teams with only 1 or big WR studs. He shuts them down and makes other guys beat you.

if they could easily be shut down.....Devante Adams wouldn't sleepwalk to 1300+ yards and double digit TDs every year.   Justin Jefferson wouldn't be flirting w/ 2k last year after a historic start to his career.  

I mean, we went to the NFCCG in 2005 with 89 catching 103 balls and being a one man show.   2nd leading WR had 25 catches.   Seattle finally stopped him.   Which took an all time historically great defense focusing all their attention on him in order to stop. 

I mean, we got what we got this year.  But no GM/coach wants a cast of average joes at WR thinking it is some way to game the system and be more productive because no one knows where the ball will go.