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23 hours ago, TheCasillas said:

thats a unique preseason look, you are not going to see that a lot in preseason football.

When referring to the Jets defensive scheme

a thousand times this. and we'll likely do something similar for a bounce back this week. it's all meaningless, but there's nuance beyond the struggle

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7 hours ago, Panthercougar68 said:

Crazy how 3 years of a consistent system helps which the Jets now have.

Matt Rhule and consistency were never a thing.

Yeah, the Jets Dline is a problem! They're gonna be hard to move the ball against getting consistent pressure without giving up a man in coverage. Remember when the Panthers had that? That unit kept the team in games when the offense had a hard time getting things going. 

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6 hours ago, rayzor said:

the problem is that this isn't something you should have to deal with in your first preseason game. 

every team has an agenda for each preseason game that may or may not include scheming. i really think the only reason the jets went hard was for team morale. we were just trying to get our guys out there and used to seeing a little action. 

i'm not going to give the jets props for anything that they did on saturday because they were going after a team that wasn't in it to win it. panthers were in it for the reps. 

Yep. Coaches should agree on how they're playing the game prior to the start. I know they do that to some degree during practice. 

Then again. Fans are paying to attend these GAMES. Perhaps preseason SHOULD be treated like games from a preparation stand point. A game with 2nd and 3rd stringers. Hard to prepare that way, but vanilla schemes and play calls are not what fans pay to see. Just a thought. 

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12 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

Yep. Coaches should agree on how they're playing the game prior to the start. I know they do that to some degree during practice. 

Then again. Fans are paying to attend these GAMES. Perhaps preseason SHOULD be treated like games from a preparation stand point. A game with 2nd and 3rd stringers. Hard to prepare that way, but vanilla schemes and play calls are not what fans pay to see. Just a thought. 

Fans are paying for them, but they aren't for the fans. These aren't GAMES. They are preseason games. There's a big difference. What the fans want should not factor into what the teams decide to do. Fans being in attendance should be irrelevant to the goals of preseason games. Fans going should know that what they are getting isn't a real game, more just a glorified practice. If they expect more, that shouldn't be a concern of the team.

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Just now, rayzor said:

Fans are paying for them, but they aren't for the fans. Not those games. What tre fans want should not factor into what they decide to do. Fans being in attendance should be irrelevant to the goals of preseason games. Fans going should know that what they are getting isn't a real game, more just a glorified practice. If they expect more, that shouldn't be a concern of the team.

Ehhh... agree, not a team concern, but an NFL concern. If you're going to charge admission, albeit cheaper, then you should deliver what you advertise. Don't call it games and make it a big deal. Just call it a practice scrimmage and charge for concessions. I don't know. Just a thought. 

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1 minute ago, rayzor said:

And I'll say again, I don't want preseason games to be treated like real games.

If it doesn't count, don't act like it does. Risk of injury is too great for a meaningless game.

Treating it like a real game is honestly just stupid.

If you're not giving 100% on a football field, then you're already increasing your chances of injury. 100% effort should be a given. The only thing to debate is preparation and playcalling. 

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Despite the O line getting constantly stunted and beat, Bryce had great footwork and threw with anticipation. When is the last time we had a QB that had both of those? I don't ever remember. If we can get the O line problems ironed out (I am sure we will), our offense can getting rolling!

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2 hours ago, Navy_football said:

If you're not giving 100% on a football field, then you're already increasing your chances of injury. 100% effort should be a given. The only thing to debate is preparation and playcalling. 

I dont see where he said players shouldn't give 100% effort

The reasoning for vanilla playcalling is to see what you have in your players.  Scheming will lead to wondering if it's the players skill or the scheme

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5 hours ago, jfra78 said:

I dont see where he said players shouldn't give 100% effort

The reasoning for vanilla playcalling is to see what you have in your players.  Scheming will lead to wondering if it's the players skill or the scheme

Yep. I can see that. I think I just interpreted it as such. 

Agree with keeping plays simple for the reason you suggested. It's just that you're not giving fans the real show. Just call it a practice scrimmage and charge for concessions. Don't charge fans to see a watered-down version of an NFL football game. Really was just playing devil's advocate cause I could see it both ways. Just a thought. 

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Compare the bryce video to this one on Fields and you can really see the difference in the 2 QBs. Fields threw 3 screens and none of them were accurate. Moore bailed him out on his as the throw was behind him and almost in the dirt. Fields threw 2 TDs but Bryce had the better QB play.

 

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20 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

 

Steve Smith not a fan of the vanilla offense. Good point, how would adding a couple motions and basic play actions give away any of the playbook? Seems like it would be more beneficial to see how Bryce would handle those things live than be a detriment against future regular season game plans

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