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How do you not trade your players while not not killing leverage? Do you have to accept all trades? That's what I've been confused about. 

I think the biggest thing in this case was the size and value of the offer moreso than the fact that there was one. Turning down that many high picks sends a pretty clear message. 

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I've just about given up all hope that we'll re-sign him this season at this point.

If we can't get a deal done before week 2, short of offering him the same numbers Bosa got, I don't think Burns' camp will agree to a new deal anymore, especially if he gets another sack this weekend.

Hell, if he plays a few more games the same way as week 1, he'd be assured of his contract stature even if he got hurt and missed the rest of the season (knock on wood), the more he plays like this, the less injury risk is a concern for him I think.

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11 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

I've just about given up all hope that we'll re-sign him this season at this point.

If we can't get a deal done before week 2, short of offering him the same numbers Bosa got, I don't think Burns' camp will agree to a new deal anymore, especially if he gets another sack this weekend.

Hell, if he plays a few more games the same way as week 1, he'd be assured of his contract stature even if he got hurt and missed the rest of the season (knock on wood), the more he plays like this, the less injury risk is a concern for him I think.

If he plays like this all season he will get his money.  We've all been waiting on him to play like THIS. He is still a liability in the run defense, but he's got a cool sack celebration so he's got that going for him.

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3 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

If he plays like this all season he will get his money.  We've all been waiting on him to play like THIS. He is still a liability in the run defense, but he's got a cool sack celebration so he's got that going for him.

That's my concern and why we should have just given him what he wanted before the season started, as whatever the number was, it was lower than what it will be when he balls out this year.

I think people forget that even when he was drafted, he was a bit of a project.  He was still a bit undersized for a DE and got by in college on his raw physical talents, something everyone knew wouldn't work from the jump in the NFL due to him being a little light.

Combine that with the epically bad coaching staff he had, I don't think it was a surprise that he struggled at times so far in his career.  

But his pass rushing ability was always evident, now he has a competent coaching staff, has bulked up, he was always poised to have a monster breakout season, most fans saw this coming, not sure how the staff couldn't when they watched him every day all summer and raved about him.

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3 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

That's my concern and why we should have just given him what he wanted before the season started, as whatever the number was, it was lower than what it will be when he balls out this year.

I think people forget that even when he was drafted, he was a bit of a project.  He was still a bit undersized for a DE and got by in college on his raw physical talents, something everyone knew wouldn't work from the jump in the NFL due to him being a little light.

Combine that with the epically bad coaching staff he had, I don't think it was a surprise that he struggled at times so far in his career.  

But his pass rushing ability was always evident, now he has a competent coaching staff, has bulked up, he was always poised to have a monster breakout season, most fans saw this coming, not sure how the staff couldn't when they watched him every day all summer and raved about him.

You don't pay players by what you hope they will be. You pay them by what they have shown to be. It's that simple Marty.

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5 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

You don't pay players by what you hope they will be. You pay them by what they have shown to be. It's that simple Marty.

Yes and no

It's not like we were going to pay someone who has just been average, he's been a borderline elite pass rusher for 3 years now who everyone could see was teetering on the edge of stepping into that elite category.

Sometimes you just have to take the risk with a guy like that and sign them to a bigger deal than you'd have liked, because you believe in him and that he'll be worth it.

The second we turned down 2 firsts for him, we signaled that we believed he was going to take that leap.  If the team even had the slightest question that he'd get there, they'd have taken that trade and laughed while doing so.

That's a key difference here than with the old Marty crap.  He paid players for what they did in the past, not what he thought they'd do in the future, very very different.

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1 minute ago, tukafan21 said:

Yes and no

It's not like we were going to pay someone who has just been average, he's been a borderline elite pass rusher for 3 years now who everyone could see was teetering on the edge of stepping into that elite category.

Sometimes you just have to take the risk with a guy like that and sign them to a bigger deal than you'd have liked, because you believe in him and that he'll be worth it.

The second we turned down 2 firsts for him, we signaled that we believed he was going to take that leap.  If the team even had the slightest question that he'd get there, they'd have taken that trade and laughed while doing so.

That's a key difference here than with the old Marty crap.  He paid players for what they did in the past, not what he thought they'd do in the future, very very different.

I get it. You love Brian Burns.  I'm not going to lose any sleep if they don't extend him. The defense is bad already and he hasn't made any impact in any games to date. Life will go on if they can't come to an agreement.

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6 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I get it. You love Brian Burns.  I'm not going to lose any sleep if they don't extend him. The defense is bad already and he hasn't made any impact in any games to date. Life will go on if they can't come to an agreement.

he hasn't made any impact?!?!?!

The Falcons coach literally said that he blew up their gameplay with how he played in the first half and they had to completely alter their second half strategy to deal with it.

Just because the rest of the defense and the offense isn't yet up to the task of carrying their own weight, doesn't mean he isn't impacting games.

We also had a pretty good defense the second half of the season last year, I don't think that happens without his pass rush.  Pass rush starts everything on a defense if you can get to the QB quickly, it makes every other player on the team better because they have to do their job for less amount of time.

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4 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

he hasn't made any impact?!?!?!

The Falcons coach literally said that he blew up their gameplay with how he played in the first half and they had to completely alter their second half strategy to deal with it.

Just because the rest of the defense and the offense isn't yet up to the task of carrying their own weight, doesn't mean he isn't impacting games.

We also had a pretty good defense the second half of the season last year, I don't think that happens without his pass rush.  Pass rush starts everything on a defense if you can get to the QB quickly, it makes every other player on the team better because they have to do their job for less amount of time.

1 game, inwhich he missed crucial tackles that resulted in a TD. That game?

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