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Stroud has 163 yards passing in the first half today. Bryce has 153 yards passing in the first half total for both games he played in. And you can't use garbage time as the excuse for the difference in this one. He also just orchestrated a terrific two minute drive to get another field goal before the half. 

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Just now, Varking said:

Stroud has 163 yards passing in the first half today. Bryce has 153 yards passing in the first half total for both games he played in. And you can't use garbage time as the excuse for the difference in this one. He also just orchestrated a terrific two minute drive to get another field goal before the half. 

Richardson was the one I wanted.

Stroud was the one I initially figured they'd pick once the trade was made - he even has the God squad thing going for him. 

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Stroud is making all these throws in tight windows, these receivers are not getting open like people say. He is putting the ball only where they get it.  More importanty he is getting the ball out quickly when needed. 

Also, put me down as someone who said i would take him over lawrence and i meant it. That guy aint showed me enough yet. 

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5 minutes ago, Varking said:

Stroud has 163 yards passing in the first half today. Bryce has 153 yards passing in the first half total for both games he played in. And you can't use garbage time as the excuse for the difference in this one. He also just orchestrated a terrific two minute drive to get another field goal before the half. 

Yep

hard to tell if stroud was in Reich’s offense if he would look the same 

we will find out today 

Dalton still has an arm….granted he still can throw interceptions too..but he has an arm and he won’t have the hesitancy Young had 

still. Even if young was the wrong pick, nothing the Panthers can do about it for at least two years so why care.   

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1 minute ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Stroud is making all these throws in tight windows, these receivers are not getting open like people say. Hebus putting the ball only where they get it.  More importanty he is getting the ball out quickly when needed. 

Also, put me down as someone who said i would take him over lawrence and i meant it. That guy aint showed me enough yet. 

Lawrence seems like he's on a Derek Carr type trajectory. Good QB. Legit starter. But might max out as a borderline top 10 type of guy. Definitely not what was expected out of him as a prospect.

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Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

Lawrence seems like he's on a Derek Carr type trajectory. Good QB. Legit starter. But might max out as a borderline top 10 type of guy. Definitely not what was expected out of him as a prospect.

He's not accurate enough - it was all over his tape in College and has carried over to the NFL.

It's only a minor thing - he gets the ball where it needs to be (or at least in the 'area code'), but the elite QBs put it on the correct shoulder 9 times out of 10. Lawrence doesn't. 

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