Is this the end of the S2?

[Basbear]

felt like those bates INTs made young go " never throw deep again " mode. 

[mrcompletely11]

4 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Mahomes sat for a year. Rodgers rode pine for multiple. Manning stunk it up in year one. Brees was trending bust after his first stop with the Chargers. Huddle legend Trevor Lawrence was cheap his first season(and honestly doesn't look like he is trending towards elite).

Sometimes it just doesn't work out the way it looks it was going to. 

Lets play a game.  You can cherry pick all the top picks that "stunk" year one and turned it around and I will pick all the top picks that just sucked from the jump who never turned it around.  Whoever runs out of names first gets banned.  you game? 

Edited October 2, 2023 by mrcompletely11

[frankw]

It's one single piece of data in a much larger puzzle. At the end of the day as a talent evaluator you have to trust your own eyes. When you have three QB's under consideration for a pick you traded a haul for you trust your own eyes when you see their phsyical abilities or lack thereof. You take either the most physically gifted or the best pure passer. It's honestly baffling to me how many people who are pretty damn smart and have years of football knowledge slept on CJ Stroud like they did. Even our own guys like Steve Smith Cam and Luke. But hey anyone can be wrong that's why the draft is a crapshoot. But really CJ's numbers and arm talent were there for anyone to see. We fell in love with other factors. Remember all the talk of leadership that supposedly CJ Stroud lacked? Such stupidity.

[TheBigKat]

thanks Nicole Tepper…. CJ was OUR guy

[mrcompletely11]

5 minutes ago, TheBigKat said:

thanks Nicole Tepper…. CJ was OUR guy

good luck honey

 

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Lets play a game.  You can cherry pick all the top picks that "stunk" year one and turned it around and I will pick all the top picks that just sucked from the jump who never turned it around.  Whoever runs out of names first gets banned.  you game? 

You mean #1 overall picks?

[mrcompletely11]

8 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

You mean #1 overall picks?

lets say top 5

[kungfoodude]

11 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

lets say top 5

Let's do #1 overall. That's the top pick, just like Bryce is.

Success being any All-Pro, Pro Bowl, MVP or HOF. No sense including things like Super Bowls as that is indicative of team success and not player success.

Also suggest that we don't use the last give drafts because there isn't really enough useful info to make that worthwhile(but I would win that FWIW).

NFL era only nothing before the NFL/AFL merger.

If you agree to these terms, I am down. I will give you fair warning, you will lose this EXTREMELY badly.

Edited October 3, 2023 by kungfoodude

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

Let's do #1 overall. That's the top pick, just like Bryce is.

Success being any All-Pro, Pro Bowl, MVP or HOF. No sense including things like Super Bowls as that is indicative of team success and not player success.

Also suggest that we don't use the last give drafts because there isn't really enough useful info to make that worthwhile(but I would win that FWIW).

NFL era only nothing before the NFL/AFL merger.

If you agree to these terms, I am down. I will give you fair warning, you will lose this EXTREMELY badly.

Lol you use Bree’s and rodgers but now you want just first overall.   Lol.   

[Mike in Raleigh]

6 hours ago, Cornflake said:

Scheme and supporting casts matter a lot in this league.

Our guards being injured is really haunting our O this season. I am reserving judgement on Bryce, but holy fk our conservative offense is boring af to watch. I'd rather him sling it and turn the ball over and learn then having the play calling we had for PJ Walker pre-Atlanta game that indicates you have ZERO faith in the guy at QB. 

Are you saying this guy is boring and predictable? He's a beacon of passion!

[Wundrbread33]

I just really want to type “Akili Smith” tho. 

3 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Let's do #1 overall. That's the top pick, just like Bryce is.

Success being any All-Pro, Pro Bowl, MVP or HOF. No sense including things like Super Bowls as that is indicative of team success and not player success.

Also suggest that we don't use the last give drafts because there isn't really enough useful info to make that worthwhile(but I would win that FWIW).

NFL era only nothing before the NFL/AFL merger.

If you agree to these terms, I am down. I will give you fair warning, you will lose this EXTREMELY badly.

 

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, Wundrbread33 said:

I just really want to type “Akili Smith” tho. 

 

Jamarcus.   

[Wundrbread33]

Digging up past #1 overall…or top 5 picks really does nothing though. 
 

Those were different people, drafted by different teams, with different coaches. 
 

It’s fruitless. 

[ForJimmy]

2 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Jamarcus.   

Are you agreeing to the “game” or just naming busts? I’m curious to see how it goes.