Barnwell trade value article

[ECHornet]

6 minutes ago, CRA said:

Not sure how anyone can argue a higher trade value for Horn than Brown. 
 

 

Horn is a stud. Yes, he’s had terrible injury luck since being drafted. That doesn’t change his all-pro potential at CB. 

[ECHornet]

I’d keep Burns until draft day even if the plan is to trade him. Make an arrangement with a pass rush-needy team in the 10-15 range pre-draft. When it’s their pick and Malik Nabers and/or Keon Coleman are sitting there, make the swap + their 2025 1st. Throw in Chinn or Jackson if need be. 

I want to know what I’m getting in return for Burns that’s not just a future pick. Same idea as preferring Aiyuk from SF in return for CMC. Give me something I know or I’ve scouted instead of picks where I’m unsure if my target will still be available. 

[CRA]

Just now, ECHornet said:

Horn is a stud. Yes, he’s had terrible injury luck since being drafted. That doesn’t change his all-pro potential at CB. 

Still don’t see how anyone can argue a higher trade value for Horn than Brown.   Not sure you presented it. 

[4Corners]

10 minutes ago, ECHornet said:

Horn is a stud. Yes, he’s had terrible injury luck since being drafted. That doesn’t change his all-pro potential at CB. 

Horn is a really solid player, we all agree. But he can’t stay healthy. Getting hurt just running down the field. Can’t count on him to make it thru a season. 

[CRA]

6 minutes ago, 4Corners said:

Horn is a really solid player, we all agree. But he can’t stay healthy. Getting hurt just running down the field. Can’t count on him to make it thru a season. 

Horn has suited up for 42% of his available games.   Not sure you can even say a legit QB/WR combo has even tested him out yet in his career.   The Bengals game was over in the 1st quarter.   Joe Mixon just had a field day.   So you we can't even use that game to see what he can really do vs the best. 

 

[4Corners]

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

Horn has suited up for 42% of his available games.   Not sure you can even say a legit QB/WR combo has even tested him out yet in his career.   The Bengals game was over in the 1st quarter.   Joe Mixon just had a field day.   So you we can't even use that game to see what he can really do vs the best. 

 

If some team offers a first round pick for Horn and the panthers don’t take it they should just move the team

[ECHornet]

10 minutes ago, CRA said:

Still don’t see how anyone can argue a higher trade value for Horn than Brown.   Not sure you presented it. 

My statement was directed at those (not you specifically) who would give Horn away for any draft compensation. I think that would be foolish. 

As for trade value, there are typically more CBs drafted in the 1st round than DTs. That and Horn being under contract for three more years compared to Brown’s two years is all I have. 
 

 

[Waldo]

Do all of that and give that ammo to a new GM and HC combo to use to build the team in the right way, through good drafting.

The only real deal killer is that Tepper would still fug it up by hiring more losers.

[t96]

2 hours ago, Ricky Spanish said:

I can't take this seriously if he doesn't think Brown is worth a 1st rounder. He's one of the only good things we have going on defense right now. 

He and Burns in my view are both worth at least a 1st and 3rd, maybe up to two 1st rounders but impending contract situations may make it so we couldn't get that much

[CRA]

38 minutes ago, ECHornet said:

My statement was directed at those (not you specifically) who would give Horn away for any draft compensation. I think that would be foolish. 

As for trade value, there are typically more CBs drafted in the 1st round than DTs. That and Horn being under contract for three more years compared to Brown’s two years is all I have. 
 

 

well, I wouldn't give him away.  I'd want at least a 2nd at this point.  My valuation is probably lower than most.  I'd basically swap Brown and Horn on that list. 

 

 

[Basbear]

SeLLLLLLLLL sell SELLL

[kungfoodude]

4 hours ago, ECHornet said:

Horn is a stud. Yes, he’s had terrible injury luck since being drafted. That doesn’t change his all-pro potential at CB. 

As a good buddy of mine once said, "Potential just means you haven't done poo yet."

That is basically JC Horn. He has done almost nothing in the NFL.

[ForJimmy]

It’s tough because similar things were said about CMC (to a much lesser degree) as we are saying about Horn. Now CMC is putting up MVP numbers, but he did get injured last game. Thomas Davis also couldn’t stay healthy until he could.

[stratocatter]

7 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

If Fitt can get 2 firsts for Burns, I’ll forgive him for passing on that Rams deal.

Not gonna happen though.