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1 hour ago, tukafan21 said:

I'm also shocked we didn't trade Chinn, I'd have taken literally a 7th for him at this point.

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love Chinn and think he will be a longtime starter in this league, but this staff hasn't figured out how to use him so they just don't put him on the field.  Unless we play him near 100% of the snaps once he's healthy again, there is a 0% chance he's coming back here.  

Why would you re-sign with the team that just spent the season refusing to put you on the field?

So now we're going to keep him and watch him walk away for nothing in free agency, what a way to ruin the potential of a guy who came in 2nd in the DROY voting

I would've agreed with you two staffs ago...but this is the third consecutive staff who apparently has no idea what to do with him.  First it was Snow, then Wilks, now Evero.  We're all still clinging to his amazing rookie season, but that was three years ago at this point.

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2 hours ago, WhoKnows said:

Imagine had we traded Burns for two firsts and a second. We could have traded a second and a third for Sweat and Young. We probably wouldn’t have had to pay them much more than we’d pay Burns but we would have two more 1sts in exchange for a 3rd and have 2 edge rushers instead of just one. Man, what a deal we were offered.

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2 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The Niners should've tried to get Howell.

He won't be on the table. Same reason Minshew didn't get moved for a while. Although he isn't an odds on favorite to pan out, he is literally getting paid pennies. 

The cost of being wrong on trading a potential starting caliber QB at a mid round price tag is just insane.

That gets a GM fired almost immediately.

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29 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

He won't be on the table. Same reason Minshew didn't get moved for a while. Although he isn't an odds on favorite to pan out, he is literally getting paid pennies. 

The cost of being wrong on trading a potential starting caliber QB at a mid round price tag is just insane.

That gets a GM fired almost immediately.

I do think it's telling that it was two young defensive pieces that were graded and no one from the offense was moved. I think they're shifting to a build around Howell mindset. The guy is 6th in the league in passing yardage and TDs despite their OL being a giant sack of poo and no real running game to speak of (largely because Bieniemy oftentimes forgets he can run the ball mid-game). It's pretty wild how much a former RB hates running the ball. 😂

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7 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I do think it's telling that it was two young defensive pieces that were graded and no one from the offense was moved. I think they're shifting to a build around Howell mindset. The guy is 6th in the league in passing yardage and TDs despite their OL being a giant sack of poo and no real running game to speak of (largely because Bieniemy oftentimes forgets he can run the ball mid-game). It's pretty wild how much a former RB hates running the ball. 😂

Howell is interesting. TO machine for sure so the question is will he get that gunslinger mentality reigned in long term or is he just the Favre/Winston class that you have to take the bad with the good.

Definitely wish we had taken him over the now out of the NFL Matt Corral. 

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54 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

I would've agreed with you two staffs ago...but this is the third consecutive staff who apparently has no idea what to do with him.  First it was Snow, then Wilks, now Evero.  We're all still clinging to his amazing rookie season, but that was three years ago at this point.

He had 117 tackles as a rookie, then had 107 tackles his second season (along with 6 TFL's), and had 5 QB hits in each season (only 1 each of last year and this)

Even last season he had 70 tackles despite missing 6 games.

Hell, even this season despite only playing about 1/3 of the snaps, he was on pace to have 65 tackles over a 17 game season, just imagine if he was getting full playing time.  Before he got hurt, felt like there were multiple plays a game that you noticed him flying around to make a tackle, which isn't something you generally notice for someone playing as few snaps as him.

I don't think it's the player in this scenario, everything points to him being used incorrectly

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21 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Howell is interesting. TO machine for sure so the question is will he get that gunslinger mentality reigned in long term or is he just the Favre/Winston class that you have to take the bad with the good.

Definitely wish we had taken him over the now out of the NFL Matt Corral. 

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Bieniemy is putting way too much weight on the passing game. Their OL is terrible at pass protection and they have a solid running game when he's actually letting them run the ball. But he's treating Howell, a 2nd year pro and 1st year starter, like he's mid-career Patrick Mahomes. I'm as high on Howell as it gets but there's too much weight on him right now. The guy is tougher than a $2 steak and the hits don't impact him mentally and he'll still stand in there and make the throws while staring down the barrel but you see his accuracy drop off over the course of the game. It doesn't matter how tough you are mentally and physically, the hits eventually eventually start having an impact and he's getting hit like very few QBs have ever gotten hit and his OC isn't helping him out of the OL out. They need to be running the ball. But losing their two pass rushers is going to put them even more behind the eight ball in the scoreboard and likely lead to even more pass happiness as their D gets scorched.

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