5 Things After Half a Season

[TLGPanthersFan]

8 minutes ago, EgoDogg said:

When you said Next Year, I thought you meant Next Year (2024). No idea where we'll be picking in two years.

Sorry should have said 2025. 

[Martin]

I actually don’t think our o-line talent is bad. We have at least 4 good ish starters. A lot of other teams have comparable, or slightly worse talent, but are performing much better than us. The new scheme/coaching is the main issue for our o-line.

[Knaakedup]

I gotta say, I think overall that there is a level of complacency that has worked its way into everyones play like a virus, which was inserted by Reich's personality and overall demeanor. 

How can this same OL go from being close to "very good" last year when Wilks took over, to turnstiles this year under this crew. They were playing like their hair was on fire at the end of the season and now they just stand there after getting blown by. 

I might be grasping at straws here, but look at Ickey in the post game interview - motherfuger was laughing after getting his 1st round ass taken to the woodshed. 

I really do not think they are taking things too seriously and have bought into the  laissez-faire attitude implemented by our dear HC. 

It is systematic poison being brought into that locker room from the top down. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

1 hour ago, Waldo said:

The talent level is low and the coaching level is also low. The staff was way overhyped. They took the low level of talent and built scheme where it made everything worse. I just can't get behind either being good at this point. This team could win games with Dalton and the oline using last year's easy scheme. 'But the online play' is avoiding this truth. 

Otherwise, true. It was an away game after their only win bad on Sunday. 

200 years of NFL experience with less wins than Matt Rhule.

[mrcompletely11]

1 hour ago, EgoDogg said:

When you said Next Year, I thought you meant Next Year (2024). No idea where we'll be picking in two years.

ive got an idea

[Jay Roosevelt]

We have an elite coaching staff... for the year 2012. We're behind current trends offensively, though Evero deserves a ton of credit for keeping the defense solid despite all the injuries.

[CRA]

1 hour ago, Knaakedup said:

I gotta say, I think overall that there is a level of complacency that has worked its way into everyones play like a virus, which was inserted by Reich's personality and overall demeanor. 

I mean, and I think it still even goes back to the Matt Rhule era.  Cam Newton spoke on what it was like re-entering Carolina.  No one knew how to act.  There was no pulse.  Say what you want about his game at that point, but I really think Cam came in and was Mr. Everything.  He filled the void the coaches and players in the lockerroom hadn't/couldn't.  Rhule even acknowledged it.   We were dead.  No pulse.  And that started at the top IMO with leadership in the coaches and players.  I mean, you could honestly tell IMO Matt Rhule really appreciated what Cam brought to the table (and it wasn't his football game) 

I still think we are still there.  I don't see Frank, Bryce, Miles, Chark, Thielen being the force you need behind the scenes to of changed what Cam talked about.  That's just a guess off their public personas and lack of reporting that says otherwise.  But you generally could tell Cam, Olsen, TD, etc were the types to make sure the players were where they should be in terms of mindset, accountability, etc  and that came across publicly.  Have things really changed since then?  Since then we let CMC and DJ go.  I'd call them quiet leaders.  Never been reported that differently.  Leaders but even they weren't doing what Cam noted and Rhule conceded didn't really exist in Carolina. I'd lump Burns and Moton in that same group.  All here when Cam walked back in the door and made that evaluation. 

[stratocatter]

1 hour ago, Knaakedup said:

I gotta say, I think overall that there is a level of complacency that has worked its way into everyones play like a virus, which was inserted by Reich's personality and overall demeanor. 

How can this same OL go from being close to "very good" last year when Wilks took over, to turnstiles this year under this crew. They were playing like their hair was on fire at the end of the season and now they just stand there after getting blown by. 

I might be grasping at straws here, but look at Ickey in the post game interview - motherfuger was laughing after getting his 1st round ass taken to the woodshed. 

I really do not think they are taking things too seriously and have bought into the  laissez-faire attitude implemented by our dear HC. 

It is systematic poison being brought into that locker room from the top down. 

There was tangible ‘bad’ in the team that fisrt game.

And I am a huge don’t put stock the the first game, in a new year, but it was shocking to me.

It didn’t look like anyone wanted to win anything.

Like it was all some laboratory in which they could tune their quarterback for his real mission which won’t come for a few years. 

[EgoDogg]

21 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

ive got an idea

Can you guarantee we have a 1st rounder in two years with Fitterer or Tepper calling the shots? There's always the chance we trade the 2025 as part of a package to get back into the 2024.

[CRA]

54 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

200 years of NFL experience with less wins than Matt Rhule.

and less offense than debut season of Matt Rhule and Joe Brady pairing.....who didn't even bother practicing the redzone lol.   (CMC also only played 3 games so they didn't have the cheat)

[RevJ]

3 minutes ago, EgoDogg said:

Can you guarantee we have a 1st rounder in two years with Fitterer or Tepper calling the shots? There's always the chance we trade the 2025 as part of a package to get back into the 2024.

If we do, it will be for a project. Who lacks size, has an injury history, or somehow otherwise causes everyone else to scratch their head while we would take them that high, much less add trade capital to the deal

[SmokinwithWilly]

4 minutes ago, CRA said:

and less offense than debut season of Matt Rhule and Joe Brady pairing.....who didn't even bother practicing the redzone lol.   (CMC also only played 3 games so they didn't have the cheat)

It sounds even worse when you put it like that

[mrcompletely11]

6 minutes ago, EgoDogg said:

Can you guarantee we have a 1st rounder in two years with Fitterer or Tepper calling the shots? There's always the chance we trade the 2025 as part of a package to get back into the 2024.

damnit  you are not wrong damnit

[CRA]

12 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

It sounds even worse when you put it like that

son of a b.....this was teed up for me to insert the Matt Rhule shrug gif and it seems to of been wiped from the internet. 

Frank can't even give us a gif.  They all mirror the still images of him.