Bad news for an old friend

[TLGPanthersFan]

On 12/16/2023 at 8:11 PM, Gapanthersfan said:

Ron wouldn’t have pulled Rodney Pete until after the 3rd game, minimum. Smith would have done something to have ended up in Ron’s doghouse. With the 2003 completely stacked roster, he would have won 7 games and missed the playoffs. If he were to have made the superbowl, they would have lost by 3 scores, or more. 

Fox went toe to toe with prime Bellicheck and Brady in the superbowl… with Jake Delhomme (still doesn’t get cred for being absolutely clutch in big games when he was on)… and came back from a 10? Point deficit after halftime… took the lead, but then just fell short. 

That was the biggest game in franchise history, against the GOAT and Bellicheck in front of the world, and we almost won. During that era, nobody made a comeback against the Pats. 

I love Ron, but Fox has him beat. I’d love to have seen what Fox could have done during the Cam and Luke years.

Agree. You want to see why Fox is better than Rivera. Look at Super Bowl 38 vs 50. 

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[rayzor]

On 12/16/2023 at 10:50 AM, LinvilleGorge said:

I think he had the best talent by far. Honestly, Fox did the better coaching job before he just mailed it in at the end on his blame duck year. There's zero chance Ron Rivera gets that '03 team anywhere close to a SB.

when fox was at his peak he was the best. 

i do think he got lazy with his coaching starting in 2007. melt down at end of 2008 was due to as much fox as it was jake. 

but yeah, i agree when fox came in he was far more aggressive and did much more with less. rivera got lucky with cam and luke.

[TLGPanthersFan]

13 minutes ago, rayzor said:

when fox was at his peak he was the best. 

i do think he got lazy with his coaching starting in 2007. melt down at end of 2008 was due to as much fox as it was jake. 

but yeah, i agree when fox came in he was far more aggressive and did much more with less. rivera got lucky with cam and luke.

So many injuries in 2004. Steve Smith getting injuries in game 1 and it seemed like we had at least one bad injury every game that year. 
2004 team healthy was better than 2003 and I still think could of made it back to the Super Bowl. 

[CPF4LIFE]

On 12/16/2023 at 10:54 AM, CBDellinger said:

2 time coach of the year.  

When Cam was playing out of his mind. Rivera owes everything to Cam.

[Gapanthersfan]

I gauge a coach on how they do in the biggest games. 

2003 team trounced Dallas at home then went in to St Louis and beat the greatest show on turf in double OT,  then in to Philly and ran all over them, then went in to the SB, came back after half to a team nobody comes back against and almost wins the game… with Jake Delhomme at QB. To be fair that team was more loaded with talent and depth than people give credit for, and Peppers and Smith are locks for the HOF. Smith being the most clutch player the franchise has ever had. 

Fox wins SB 50 by 2 scores at least with the 2015 team. I’m not sure Ron would know what to do with Jake on the 2003 team.  Probably throttle it back and lean on Davis to win games. Ron loses in St Louis and Philly. He would never have been able to mount a comeback against that Pats team in the SB. Not that team. It’s probably not even close. 
 

All things equal, the 2015 team beats the brakes off the 2003 team if they play each other, so Ron had the better team, against a MUCH weaker opponent in his SB appearance, and couldn’t even make a game of it. 

All is obviously JMHO. 

Edited December 20, 2023 by Gapanthersfan

[KatsAzz]

On 12/16/2023 at 10:49 AM, CBDellinger said:

Still the best coach we’ve ever had by far.  

I would rated Ron a close 2nd and rate John Fox the best.

[countryboi]

Still never had a winning season without Cam Newton.