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Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

It wasn't even a sweepstakes. The NFL was gonna force JR to sell to David Tepper, period. He was next man up for the good old boy's club. Sucks they didn't force Snyder out quicker. Lord knows there was WAY more dirt on Snyder than there was on JR and they didn't move on him until they found out he was withholding a few bucks from the pot.

Oh I know. The fix was in for sure.

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2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Talent still shows. That's the part y'all don't want to acknowledge. Even in a complete poo show you can recognize talent. Where's the flashes of talent? Not stats, not wins, just those plays that make you say, "Yeah, this guy shows something. I can see him being that dude in the right situation." In 13 starts how many plays has he honestly made that you wouldn't expect pretty much any roster caliber NFL QB to be able to make?

That's my concern. I'm not seeing flashes of the talent that can lift a team. Bryce looks like the type of guy who is never going to add digits to the win column. He'll get you as far as the team around him can carry him. Other teams call those types of guys replacement level backups.

That's not necessarily true. Our 2 wins came on the back of him leading 2 GW drives and those drives featured some pretty good throws by him. He needs to do that consistently. And as the situation improves around him I believe we will see it more consistently. I know we won't ever see eye to eye on this though and we can table this discussion for next season (yay!) Because that will ultimately tell if he's going to be successful here or not. Another season like this and its all but over for Young as a Panther even if it's only 2 seasons if it's another year like this year we will be in prime position for a QB in '25.

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1 minute ago, strato said:

Why go through that pain? We know he sucks. You are now forcing a second coach to try ands make him into something. 

 

Bryce is gonna be here next year. It just is what it is. I want to see a legit QB competition in TC and preseason though. You can't just hand Bryce the job again next year.

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5 minutes ago, strato said:

Why go through that pain? We know he sucks. You are now forcing a second coach to try ands make him into something. 

 

No matter how bad it's been you can't argue that the situation he was brought into was way way less than ideal for a rookie QB. Ontop of that you have the investment. He wasn't just a #1 overall pick but a #1 overall pick that we traded up for. Got to see Young with some solid coaching and talent around him before you can pull the plug. If he was in an offense like Zach Wilson has been in the last 2 years and still looks bad, that is when you pull the plug.

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1 hour ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

No matter how bad it's been you can't argue that the situation he was brought into was way way less than ideal for a rookie QB. Ontop of that you have the investment. He wasn't just a #1 overall pick but a #1 overall pick that we traded up for. Got to see Young with some solid coaching and talent around him before you can pull the plug. If he was in an offense like Zach Wilson has been in the last 2 years and still looks bad, that is when you pull the plug.

You aren’t making a connection between what we watched all year and his abilities. Or the limitations imposed by his skill set. Those aren’t in question and don’t need answering. We should discuss what he Can do. 

What does that look like?

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