Why carolina can not* afford to lose Burns

[Sir Big Spurr]

One of the most overrated players in franchise history. Dude disappears for weeks. People can spin his one dimension, mediocre stats all they want, but he’s a slightly above average player. Nothing more. 

[PootieNunu]

Burns is at best a situational pass rusher and should be used as such. What we can not afford to do is pay this mother hubbard 30m a season. 

He is not a cornerstone piece of an elite D. 

 

Edited January 30, 2024 by PootieNunu

[CRA]

1 hour ago, micnificent28 said:

The Burns bashing is way beyond the levels of crazy. Did he have a down year by his standards yes, but so did the entire team. 

 

ask Derek Brown if he had a down year 

or Luvu 

Brian Burns is a one dimensional pass rusher and on top of that his pass rushing game is one dimensional.  That’s the real problem.   

he isn’t our best defender.   That’s a title I’d maybe give him one season.  

[micnificent28]

4 minutes ago, PootieNunu said:

Burns is at best a situational pass rusher and should be used as such. What we can not afford to do is pay this mother hubbard 30m a season. 

He is not a cornerstone piece of an elite D. 

 

Hes not going to demand 30 million his value at this point is 20-25 million and we can absoutely afford to pay him that.

[micnificent28]

3 minutes ago, CRA said:

ask Derek Brown if he had a down year 

or Luvu 

Brian Burns is a one dimensional pass rusher and on top of that his pass rushing game is one dimensional.  That’s the real problem.   

he isn’t our best defender.   That’s a title I’d maybe give him one season.  

This fine.. he generates pressure at an abnormal rate. disruption is production. and for 20-25 mill a year thats what i want him to do. 

[micnificent28]

Not sure 

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The problem with paying Burns is that he wants $30M a year. That's ELITE $$$. Now go look at the pressure numbers of elite pass rushers. Micah Parsons was over 100. 

20-25 million

[micnificent28]

1 hour ago, jayboogieman said:

How many of those other guys played as much as Burns did? How many of them were put into pass rush situations vs playing the run or being told to hold the edge? Just looking at one stat doesn't tell the whole story.

Also, there's not a player on the roster that shouldn't be traded if the price is right and that includes Brown, Thelen, and Burns. The Panthers need a huge infusion of talent and most likely a couple years away from winning at the earliest. If getting that talent infusion means trading away the more win now guys, so be it.

If that is true that also hold true in other areas. If Burns only had 8-9 sack how many times did he blow by tackles and force qbs off their spot and comfort zone.. disruption is production.

[LinvilleGorge]

17 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

Not sure 

20-25 million

He wants $30M. We were reportedly offering him mid-20s and he refused.

[JawnyBlaze]

Eh, at the time I was in the camp that they made the right decision not trading him. In retrospect, I was wrong. I thought we’d take Stroud and at least be competitive and be ready for playoff aspirations in year two.  In reality, those draft pics would have been waaaay more valuable than those 40 qb pressures. Take Burns away and those pressures don’t dissipate, someone else would get some if not most of them. A lot can be done with scheme. Even now, if we can get a first, take it and run. Even the Chiefs’.  We can spread that $20-30mil around and use it to improve the team in more areas. 

Edited January 30, 2024 by JawnyBlaze

[top dawg]

1 hour ago, CarolinaSock said:

Gross-Matos generated 47% of the pressure in 57% of the snaps.

Barno generated 20% of the pressure in 23% of the snaps.

Houston 25% in 22%, Haynes 25% in 17% of the snaps.

It's just a matter of snap count.

Thanks for providing clarity. When I saw the OP's stats, the first thing that I thought is, "These have no context." I figured that snap count correlated with productivity. You provided the evidence.

[CRA]

23 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

This fine.. he generates pressure at an abnormal rate. disruption is production. and for 20-25 mill a year thats what i want him to do. 

I don’t seen Burns disrupting much.  I see him doing the same thing pretty much all the time.  Doing nothing in the run game and speed rushing the edge outside.  Rinse and repeat. 

and he isn’t as good as the Hassan Reddicks of the world.  So I got no use paying him like he is some tier past Reddick.   

[Call Me James]

We can afford to pay Burns because we aren’t going to be paying a QB big money for a while.

besides, his salary will be no worse than what we did for Shaq or Ian Thomas — relatively speaking 

[PootieNunu]

1 minute ago, Call Me James said:

We can afford to pay Burns because we aren’t going to be paying a QB big money for a while.

besides, his salary will be no worse than what we did for Shaq or Ian Thomas — relatively speaking 

Yes, lets continue our history of paying mid players top end contracts. 

[DrowsyJungle]

Just now, Call Me James said:

We can afford to pay Burns because we aren’t going to be paying a QB big money for a while.

besides, his salary will be no worse than what we did for Shaq or Ian Thomas — relatively speaking 

You do not overpay Burns. You trade and get players that'll provide more value for the money with draft picks as well. Burns is not elite and we don't need to overpay when we have major needs elsewhere.