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Bryce Young vs Caleb Williams


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There are 3 QB’s in this draft that I like hands down better than Bryce Young. One being Drake Maye who just said on Dan Patrick show earlier today that the team he wished he could be the QB for is Carolina. Dude grew up a Panthers fan, could have easily had him this year if not for the idiotic trade for young last year.

I also said last year that I was cool with the trade as long as it was for Stroud. That trade for Young was pure stupidity imo.

 

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Williams seems to have high bust probability but some of the rhetoric around him reminds me of Levis. Most of it will blow over.

All that will matter is commitment to football.

But for me nothing against him personally I hope he is a bust because fug the Bears and we have lost enough on that trade we don't need him becoming a franchise QB too.

All this being said. Holy moley there is some lip service being given in here about the leadership of our own QB.

Yeah man he sure looked composed out there while we were getting our poo pushed in by the Jaguars missing their starting QB.

Some of you are truly professional shoe shiners.

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1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Granted its the bears but they have a foundation that is set up nicely and a ton of capital to elevate their roster

but, yeah, it's the bears...

one of that group of teams that always comes up short no matter how hard they(we) try.

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1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

His highlight reel is pretty wild.  He does hold the ball way too long though

Yeah agreed. I always believe on gambling on physical traits that can't be taught vs say oh hes an elite processor. Like where is the factual evidence of that how do i scheme around that. your mental state or procesding rate can change based on your environment and getting destroyed like bryce did last year with us. I hope he doesnt start seeing ghosts.

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1 hour ago, CRA said:

not sure he checks the boxes above the shoulders.  Which is a big one.  

he seems mentally weak and a bad fit for a NFL locker room.  We have seen loads of dudes that have checked the physical boxes in spades. 

I think a lot of us overrate Mental toughness vs Actual god given ability. Guy has been playing football his whole life and has been elite at all levels and a 5 star recruit. Not to mention hes walking into a great situation with DJ Moore and keneen allen already there, plus the 9th pick to add say brock bowers or rome odenze or so. I dont see how he could have it mentally tough or fail.

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21 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

I think a lot of us overrate Mental toughness vs Actual god given ability. Guy has been playing football his whole life and has been elite at all levels and a 5 star recruit. Not to mention hes walking into a great situation with DJ Moore and keneen allen already there, plus the 9th pick to add say brock bowers or rome odenze or so. I dont see how he could have it mentally tough or fail.

Dude walked out of OU as a freshman because the coach wouldn't give him the job over a kid projected at the time to be a 1st round draft pick.  

He is acting like an elementary school kid crying in his momma's lap on field after their 2nd loss this year. 

some of his teammates seemed to be glad he was gone in that Bowl game. 

then you can basically listen to any casual interview he does like with The Pivot or whatever, dude seems just a mess IMO.   Hard to actually listen to that dude and think he will mesh with grown NFL men.  Pivot guys seemed hard pressed to bite their tongues at times to his utter nonsense. 

I just have never seen it with this kid.  He put up some numbers in the PAC12.  He won 1 random bowl game in college.  I just don't buy folks trying to sell him as better prospect than Burrow, Trevor, etc. like they try. 

I'm definitely a Caleb hater.  Too many likeable folks to pull for IMO.  He ain't one. 

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All this is why I dislike the doctrine of investing so heavily in unknown college players.

QBs are mostly value inflated unrealistically in a whole bunch of years. Rarely do you get one that is obviously a great bet. 

Even Stroud, with all his measurable and with a valid pro arm, was not inspiring me to trade the future. And we’ll see, but he has the ability you look for and showed out right from day one.

Still I think it is a crapshoot and would prefer to invest in more predictable position talent. Which is also a gamble but one I prefer. . 

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