Another Reason The Panthers May have Traded Up To Get Legette

[ClawOn]

6 hours ago, MHS831 said:

Legette has the most upside of any WR in this draft.  That does not mean he is better, but the room between where he is and where he could become is wider than anyone else--very close to Mitchell.

There is risk gambling on upside but that's exactly what we need and a clear strategy of Dave and Dan.  Looking forward to it.

[tukafan21]

18 hours ago, travisura said:

Word on the street is that Beane called Morgan when he got word that the Patriots wanted to move up for Legette. Morgan gets to move up for relatively cheap to get his guy, Beane gets to move back and still get his guy, and the Pats get screwed over. Win, win, win.

Sorry to be that guy, but this is a fun story that doesn't really hold up to logic

The Bills would never have traded with the Patriots there to let them get their guy, not for a division opponent.  Even if the Bills traded it to someone else, either they or we would have taken him before the Patriots could anyways, thus the Patriots never stood a chance to get thier guy, so the Bills didn't screw them over.

Just sayin

[csx]

3 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

Sorry to be that guy, but this is a fun story that doesn't really hold up to logic

The Bills would never have traded with the Patriots there to let them get their guy, not for a division opponent.  Even if the Bills traded it to someone else, either they or we would have taken him before the Patriots could anyways, thus the Patriots never stood a chance to get thier guy, so the Bills didn't screw them over.

Just sayin

That's exactly what's being reported 

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/40039753/patriots-qb-drake-maye-leadership-mack-brown-nfl-draft-unc

3. Blocked by Bills: The Patriots had a trade offer on the table to the Bills late in the first round on Thursday night, according to a source. The Bills were at pick No. 32 (after a trade back with the Chiefs), but instead of dealing with their AFC East rival Patriots for No. 34, they chose Carolina's offer to slide back one spot to No. 33.

 

Receivers Xavier Legette and Keon Coleman were selected at 32 and 33 before the Patriots traded back from 34, so one can deduce the Patriots had either Legette or Coleman as their target -- or possibly both. My hunch is Legette.

[ForJimmy]

8 minutes ago, csx said:

That's exactly what's being reported 

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/40039753/patriots-qb-drake-maye-leadership-mack-brown-nfl-draft-unc

3. Blocked by Bills: The Patriots had a trade offer on the table to the Bills late in the first round on Thursday night, according to a source. The Bills were at pick No. 32 (after a trade back with the Chiefs), but instead of dealing with their AFC East rival Patriots for No. 34, they chose Carolina's offer to slide back one spot to No. 33.

 

Receivers Xavier Legette and Keon Coleman were selected at 32 and 33 before the Patriots traded back from 34, so one can deduce the Patriots had either Legette or Coleman as their target -- or possibly both. My hunch is Legette.

Yep and the Lions traded Hockenson to the Vikings a few years ago. Division rivals can make trades if they truly believe they both benefit. It’s also risky because they would love to screw each other over like the Bills just did. 

[rayzor]

4 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

Sorry to be that guy, but this is a fun story that doesn't really hold up to logic

The Bills would never have traded with the Patriots there to let them get their guy, not for a division opponent.  Even if the Bills traded it to someone else, either they or we would have taken him before the Patriots could anyways, thus the Patriots never stood a chance to get thier guy, so the Bills didn't screw them over.

Just sayin

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[rayzor]

28 minutes ago, csx said:

That's exactly what's being reported 

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/40039753/patriots-qb-drake-maye-leadership-mack-brown-nfl-draft-unc

3. Blocked by Bills: The Patriots had a trade offer on the table to the Bills late in the first round on Thursday night, according to a source. The Bills were at pick No. 32 (after a trade back with the Chiefs), but instead of dealing with their AFC East rival Patriots for No. 34, they chose Carolina's offer to slide back one spot to No. 33.

 

Receivers Xavier Legette and Keon Coleman were selected at 32 and 33 before the Patriots traded back from 34, so one can deduce the Patriots had either Legette or Coleman as their target -- or possibly both. My hunch is Legette.

nope...sorry. THAT GUY said it didn't happen. 

[WhoKnows]

On 5/8/2024 at 4:28 PM, rayzor said:

The guys who are the top 3 in the draft compared to XL have less room for growth. Especially Harrison. He's been groomed his whole life for this by a legend. He's naturally gifted and well trained for being the top. He'll get better, but he won't get much better than where he is right now, imo...not compared to XL.

I'm not saying that XL will be better than Harrison, just that Harrison's floor is a lot bigger than XLs because of the investment made in him from essentially birth. He had advantages that XL just didn't have. XL is just now getting into a position where he can receive solid coaching and opportunity he's never had before. He's naturally gifted an old supposedly very coachable and takes to coaching well. There's no telling how good he can be.

I think you guys are being way too homerish here. The top 3 guys do not have less upside room. Thats silly and Ill be honest that while yes, every WR in the first few rounds could be the best WR in this class, just because XL is raw does not mean the top 3 have a lower ceiling.

That would be like saying Chase, JJ, Lamb and others didn’t have high ceilings in the NFL because they were already more established.

I welcome the chance that XL becomes a stud but you guys are being way to much of a homer to say he’s got the highest ceiling in a supposedly amazing WR draft with 3 potential studs taken top 10.

[rayzor]

1 hour ago, WhoKnows said:

I think you guys are being way too homerish here. The top 3 guys do not have less upside room. Thats silly and Ill be honest that while yes, every WR in the first few rounds could be the best WR in this class, just because XL is raw does not mean the top 3 have a lower ceiling.

That would be like saying Chase, JJ, Lamb and others didn’t have high ceilings in the NFL because they were already more established.

I welcome the chance that XL becomes a stud but you guys are being way to much of a homer to say he’s got the highest ceiling in a supposedly amazing WR draft with 3 potential studs taken top 10.

Say two guys buy a pair of 48" waist pants. One of them is already 45" waist. The other has a 32" waist. The guy with the 32" waist has more room to grow to fit into the really big pants.

[WhoKnows]

12 minutes ago, rayzor said:

Say two guys buy a pair of 48" waist pants. One of them is already 45" waist. The other has a 32" waist. The guy with the 32" waist has more room to grow to fit into the really big pants.

Sorry man, that analogy is being misinterpreted. The ceiling in your example is 48”. The 32” guy does not have a higher ceiling, he’s just got way more to do than the other guy but 32” guy can’t get to 54”.

What you guys are trying to say is that Harrison, Odunze and Nabers are good enough right now to go top 4 to top 9 but their ceiling is pro-bowler because they’ve had multiple great college seasons and XL has a HOF ceiling because he’s only had one good year.

If XL had so much talent that we could say he has a higher ceiling than those 3, he wouldn’t have gone 33.

You are trying to cap those 3 as pro-bowlers. Those 3 are potentially HOFers. XL does not have HOF ceiling IMHO, but even if you want to say he does, it’s still not “higher” than the rest. I’m not saying the 3 will be, heck it’s more likely that at least one of them is a disappointment, but they absolutely have as high or higher ceiling than XL and a much higher floor.

[rayzor]

5 hours ago, WhoKnows said:

Sorry man, that analogy is being misinterpreted. The ceiling in your example is 48”. The 32” guy does not have a higher ceiling, he’s just got way more to do than the other guy but 32” guy can’t get to 54”.

What you guys are trying to say is that Harrison, Odunze and Nabers are good enough right now to go top 4 to top 9 but their ceiling is pro-bowler because they’ve had multiple great college seasons and XL has a HOF ceiling because he’s only had one good year.

If XL had so much talent that we could say he has a higher ceiling than those 3, he wouldn’t have gone 33.

You are trying to cap those 3 as pro-bowlers. Those 3 are potentially HOFers. XL does not have HOF ceiling IMHO, but even if you want to say he does, it’s still not “higher” than the rest. I’m not saying the 3 will be, heck it’s more likely that at least one of them is a disappointment, but they absolutely have as high or higher ceiling than XL and a much higher floor.

How do you know they do and he doesn't?

Anyways, it's all personal opinions and none of it has to be justified to anyone. And is there homerism at play? Maybe. And that's ok.

But there's also the possible bias that because he was a panther pick and panthers suck at picking he must suck. And that's also ok.

Does all of it (or any of it) jive with the way you see it? Maybe....maybe not. Does it have to? Nope

[raleigh-panther]

[Ricky Prickles]

22 hours ago, rayzor said:

Say two guys buy a pair of 48" waist pants. One of them is already 45" waist. The other has a 32" waist. The guy with the 32" waist has more room to grow to fit into the really big pants.

48" waist. Yowzers!