How accurate is Madden for coaches?

[BrisbanePanther]

At risk of collecting piles of poo, a stupid question--how well does Madden's AI account for actual playbook and coaching?

I ask because I've recently gotten around to playing '24 more (refuse to pay for it since it eventually comes with GamePass), and with Canales' playbook, the Bucs run a LOT of play action. Is that realistic? Is that what we can expect here as well? Given the draft investment in the RB position and Bryce's..."dimensions"...maybe so?

Edited May 12, 2024 by BrisbanePanther

[cardiackat88.]

59 minutes ago, BrisbanePanther said:

At risk of collecting piles of poo, a stupid question--how well does Madden's AI account for actual playbook and coaching?

I ask because I've recently gotten around to playing '24 more (refuse to pay for it since it eventually comes with GamePass), and with Canales' playbook, the Bucs run a LOT of play action. Is that realistic? Is that what we can expect here as well? Given the draft investment in the RB position and Bryce's..."dimensions"...maybe so?

I swear the playbook from Madden 2010 is THE EXACT (or very very VERY close to) the same playbook for 23.

I didn't play any of the Maddens inbetween for the most part, and my son has been asking me to play with him a lot. 22 and 23 had almost identical playbooks to 10.

[LinvilleGorge]

I don't think it's very accurate at all overall IMO. I just think back to the Cam era. Madden had to incorporate read option in order to even begin to replicate the Panthers' offense but there were only a handful of read option plays in the playbook. Realistically, I bet at a third of our passing plays in those days involved some aspect of read option and a third might be conservative.

[pantherclaw]

There is no way the individual offenses would be even offered to Madden. 

[LinvilleGorge]

5 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

There is no way the individual offenses would be even offered to Madden. 

Well, obviously. I think they just watch the games and then try to build a playbook that vaguely resembles the offense that coach runs.

[pantherclaw]

8 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Well, obviously. I think they just watch the games and then try to build a playbook that vaguely resembles the offense that coach runs.

Which is doable. Well. Use to be.  Seems like it's more challenging to do the same things in 2024 than what I did 20 years ago. 

Luckily the quality of graphics in the game haven't changed.

[BrisbanePanther]

15 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Well, obviously. I think they just watch the games and then try to build a playbook that vaguely resembles the offense that coach runs.

This is exactly along the lines that I was wondering. If some YouTuber can diagram plays or follow an All 22 to review games, surely EA can afford to have people do something like this, and it wouldn't surprise me if they had computers do this automatically in order to build the AI. I mean we're talking about calculating football plays not the orbits of Jupiter's moons lol.

Edited May 12, 2024 by BrisbanePanther

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, BrisbanePanther said:

I this is exactly along the lines that I was wondering. If some YouTuber can diagram plays or follow an All 22 to review game, surely EA can afford to have people do something like this, and it wouldn't surprise me if they had computers do this automatically in order to build the AI. I mean we're talking about calculating football plays not the orbit of Jupiter's moons.

You also have to consider the average user of their product vs. the time and effort involved in building a playbook. How many Madden players are legitimately looking for the absolute best, most accurate football simulation they can get? Most want a somewhat accurate representation that's entertaining. They're building a video game for entertainment, not trying to build a perfect football simulator. Personally, I'd greatly prefer the latter but I also understand that I'm a tiny sliver of a minority that isn't financially worth catering to. It is what it is.

[Jackie Lee]

Panthers play action

 

[CamWhoaaCam]

Fug Madden!

 

I'm ready for EA college football 25.

 

Can't wait till I go undefeated with coach Prime and Colorado. It's gonna be like reality.

[Manna]

I don't know about playbooks, but as far as players go it's pretty spot on. You can make any turd player 99 overall but they'll still play like a turd. 

[KillerKat]

Theres a set of plays designed that will show up in your coaches suggestion depending on what type of offense you want to run. 

[KillerKat]

Last Madden I played was 17, got this for like 10-12 bucks a few months ago and its a great improvement imo. I havent had to touch the sliders much.

[Khyber53]

There's more to coaching than play calling, even down on the field. Madden isn't going to simulate how your WR1 had a big fight with his wife the night before the game and is stiff from sleeping on the couch. It's not going to simulate that the fight was because the QB's wife was flirting with the WR and now, because she went full on ballistic that the QB now knows about it.

It's not going to simulate that questionable bucket of wings your o-line shared three hours before the game is now causing cramps and gas. It's also not going to simulate the real wear and tear of the season and how about December even the moderately good teams are about halfway spending their brain power on picking their January vacation destinations.

But for a video game, it's pretty good.