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Everybody hates Bryce - TC August 11th


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3 minutes ago, Icege said:

Diontae caught the ball and it popped out when he hit the ground. You said to throw it to the inside shoulder with the DB having inside leverage. That was a good throw.

There were at least two bad throws today that you could use to promote your argument, but seeing as there's no good faith in this discussion and you're just venting your frustration I'll once again disengage.

For the second year now there has been way more bad then good.  

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1 minute ago, *FreeFua* said:

Reich was bad but we now have Canales not taking a ton of deep shots with Bryce either…

Theyve seen the deep ball and said nope 

I don't know that it's them not calling then more so that Bryce not trying them.

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Canales up

  • Had a nice move the ball period in the middle. Short yardage and goal line periods were to emphasize the physicality of the play. Aggression and physical play was there even without bringing guys all of the way to the ground. Special teams was running. Challenged the guys this morning and they responded. Flew to the ball on both sides. Means a lot when guys respond to a challenge and it showed him a lot about this group.
  • We have to have the resilience. Sometimes the offense comes out a little slow. Sometimes it comes out ripping and that's great. Can't just come out, have a successful drive, and think that the game is in the back. Have to reset no matter how the game starts. Refocus in, what's the defense doing? Make adjustments. Had some great rushes and plays on defense. Need to finish plays with the ball in their hand on both offense and defense.
  • Likes seeing guys challenging themselves and pushing their limits so that he can correct them later (re: Bryce throwing the pick). Going to go back and look at it to see where X was and what happened. "If we're not getting interceptions, we're not trying." We need to take those shots down the field so that we can hone it in, so that we can be crisp as we take those shots down there.
  • Biggest change with the new kickoff rule is the returner. Kick off return specialists can become valuable and be a way for guys to make the roster whether it's in the RB, WR, or DB rooms. If you have a guy that has a feel for stretching those blocks and making those cuts, you're going to want him. Otherwise, special teams make up is still relatively the same.
  • Ricky Lee had a fantastic preseason game. He's been battling during this camp. Goes up at Clowney to challenge himself at times. Has a lot to improve but took a step in the right direction. Some guys have a natural comfort level (Lee's is LT) but in order to make the roster as a swing tackle they gotta be comfortable on both sides.
  • Was with Clowney in Seattle so he already knows how he works. Knows that he goes 100mph, works on his toolbox, and provides fantastic veteran leadership. Took a vet day to recover his legs and the team is being smart with the volume of reps he gets in practice. When they take care of guys it isn't to be nice, it's so that they can go full speed when they're out there.
  • Won't say whether or not guys that are hurt will be ready for the Jets. Goal is to get them back. Mindset is focusing on who's ready right now as well as will be the case with Buffalo. Both of those games will be important for the team.
  • Thought D'Shawn Jamison made some plays defensively against the Pats, but had one get away from him. Trevin Wallace ran it down from behind though and stopped Boutte at the 3yd line. Alex Cooke had a fantastic preseason game, tackled well in the open field. Eku Leota played so hard and gave effort in all phases. Was great to see Mike Boone have a couple of nice runs and see a guy that they can trust as they put things together. Didn't have a great day passing so it was hard to evaluate guys and some didn't take full advantage of their opportunities. The tight ends did take advantage though. Looking for more opportunities, especially in the receiver room, to evaluate.
  • Was excited about the physical play before the game showing up in the game and in today's practice after the game.
  • Jordan Matthews is absolutely seizing the opportunity. He's doing a fantastic job, they can count on him. He's giving everything that he's got on special teams and having a guy in the TE group that's doing what he's supposed to do with Ian and Tommy hurt is really valuable.
  • Wants David Moore around because he catches the ball when thrown to him. Really strong at the catch, strong in 1v1s, finishes strong in team periods. Steady Eddy mentality and his ability to help on ST is huge. Having a veteran guy like him is huge for Plummer + Luton. Thompkins was mentioned as well, but then stated he was waived/injured due to a hamstring. Rod Moore is doing a fantastic job with the group.
  • Yosh Nijman has a ways to go before suiting up. Had a reinforcement surgery in his leg and they're trying to be smart with guys coming back. Will continue bringing him along. Cam Gill should be back soon (had a surgically repaired hand) once the wound is done healing. LaBryan Ray had an illness that has gone passed 10 days. All hands medical wise helping him out with getting him back to normal. Jaden had to be waived to make room for an OL after the injuries vs. Pats.
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Eddie Pineiro up

  • Very motivated and feels good to be out training with the team.
  • Communicates with Hekker a lot on things like lining up the target, where he's going with his kick, where the wind is going, where he's gonna lean the ball, etc. Things have been really good.
  • Hekker and him get competitive. The other day were picking targets on the field and trying to hit it as close as they can. Closest wins lunch (Eddie's gotten a lot of free lunches this camp he says, and Hekker has been irritated by it). Miss the bubble because they used to hit the ball off of it and do different things.
  • Blessing to have a Latino head coach given his heritage. It's a blessing and brings awareness. Pretty cool.
  • Been great getting to know Tracy Smith. Good coach, very honest.
  • Feels really good and feels like he's striking the ball well. Feels like this is one of his best camps in his career. Working a little more on kick offs now with the rule changes and how to attack it.
  • Wanted to kick in the first game, but knows that doesn't happen sometimes during the preseason. Was happy for Mevis to get an opportunity.
  • Thinks teams are going to be experimenting a lot with the new kick off format. Has been asking the coaches about it and noticing the flags, guys not getting it to the landing zone which has happened to Eddie in practice. Curious to see if they'll keep it. Sounds like some guys think it might go away.
  • Does he like it? "Uh... sure. Yea. I've been forced to like it. I love it." 😆
  • Some kickers that might not have the strongest leg on kick off might be saved because they're more accurate. Thinks that accuracy is one of his strong suits. Doesn't have to hit a bunch of touchbacks which means less wear and tear on the leg.
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10 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

The bar is literally on the ground and we’re talking about someone who is supposed to be a franchise QB here 

what’re we even doing 

The Bucs beat us twice last year by a combined 12 points including one of the ugliest games of the year, the 9-0 finale where Baker threw for 137 yards with the division crown and playoffs on the line.  Canales is a huge question mark as well.

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