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Everyone should have seen the disaster around Bryce coming

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2 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Meh JR had his positives but he also was a tightwad that made his team practice in a hotel ballroom in the playoffs.

Tepper makes most owners of professional sports look good. He is in Snyder zone without the non-football issues which is amazing really. 

I'm not missing JR, I'm missing the owner we never had yet. 

Of course we could have a much better owner.  JR at least fielded half competent teams that played hardnosed football.  This is years and years of bad drafting and no true rebuilds.  Just piling poo on poo.  I'm not sure how this gets fixed other than Dave shelling out a ridiculous amount of money to a good GM and personnel department.   

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4 minutes ago, FatChad said:

Of course we could have a much better owner.  JR at least fielded half competent teams that played hardnosed football.  This is years and years of bad drafting and no true rebuilds.  Just piling poo on poo.  I'm not sure how this gets fixed other than Dave shelling out a ridiculous amount of money to a good GM and personnel department.   

That why I said meh. Better than Tepper but who isn't? I'm not pinning for competitive every other year. For the money people pay this team they need to do better. There were good times but they were short lived and when JR got exposed it's hard for me to think kindly back on it all even if some spots were freaking sweet. 

I don't think we have seen a glimmer of meaningful change yet. Every retool avoids the massive rebuild they need from the holes they keep digging making terrible choices. That includes cleaning house IMO. 

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I saw that disaster coming from a mile away. I remember how toxic this board became to anyone that suggested Bryce would be a terrible pick. Half the board knew that Stroud was the answer but as we approached the draft the Huddle got botted up with accounts dedicated to Young and soon people who hated the pick just kept their mouth shut.  

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58 minutes ago, TheMaulClaw said:

I saw that disaster coming from a mile away. I remember how toxic this board became to anyone that suggested Bryce would be a terrible pick. Half the board knew that Stroud was the answer but as we approached the draft the Huddle got botted up with accounts dedicated to Young and soon people who hated the pick just kept their mouth shut.  

That is pretty accurate to my memory. I had to hold my tongue after the draft until we got some reps to look at against NFL players.

Before that, simply questioning his arm strength and footwork/mechanics brought a tsunami of wrath and indignation upon the dumbass that would think to ask stupid poo like that lol. 

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1 hour ago, TheMaulClaw said:

I saw that disaster coming from a mile away. I remember how toxic this board became to anyone that suggested Bryce would be a terrible pick. Half the board knew that Stroud was the answer but as we approached the draft the Huddle got botted up with accounts dedicated to Young and soon people who hated the pick just kept their mouth shut.  

My heart sank when his name was called on draft night.

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3 hours ago, TD alt said:

And yet teams still draft RBs fairly highly all the time. It just depends on the player. If Brooks hadn't torn his ACL, he was likely going to be drafted in the first round as opposed to the second. 

Teams are reluctant to pay for RBs  because they get hurt a lot, not because they don't have inherent  value. Sure, the modern NFL puts passing at a premium, but versatile three-down backs are still valued. Sure, mobile and running QBs can take some of the pressure off of the need for star backs, but then the risk to the QB is magnified exponentially, even having possible career-ending implications, so I think that shrewd FOs realize the importance of having legit three-down backs.

 

It's far rarer than the previous two decades. The first round RB's are becoming more and more rare.

They don't have value because they have short careers and are injury prone. Hence why you see RB by committee, substantially less carries on average and fewer RB's getting big contracts after their rookie deals.

If you are tying up a lot of money into a RB or expending a 1st round draft pick on a RB it's either an extreme need or your FO is just incompetent.

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2 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

I think the Lions would disagree with you on that. They won their game in OT last night with Montgomery running out of his mind. That was a hell of a game. But I do agree in principle that the RB position has become devalued in recent years. But the position itself is crucial to success and having a Montgomery on your team at a cheap contract cannot be underestimated. 

But you are making my point for me. There is no reason to expend a lot of contract money nor high draft capital when you can get a guy like that in the 3rd round and is on a second contract for 3 years and $18 mil.

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Just now, kungfoodude said:

It's far rarer than the previous two decades. The first round RB's are becoming more and more rare.

They don't have value because they have short careers and are injury prone. Hence why you see RB by committee, substantially less carries on average and fewer RB's getting big contracts after their rookie deals.

If you are tying up a lot of money into a RB or expending a 1st round draft pick on a RB it's either an extreme need or your FO is just incompetent.

I'd argue the last team to really get the value out of a 1st round RB was Dallas with Zeke. 

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31 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

It's far rarer than the previous two decades. The first round RB's are becoming more and more rare.

They don't have value because they have short careers and are injury prone. Hence why you see RB by committee, substantially less carries on average and fewer RB's getting big contracts after their rookie deals.

If you are tying up a lot of money into a RB or expending a 1st round draft pick on a RB it's either an extreme need or your FO is just incompetent.

I just disagree in some respects. RBs are still valuable, and that's why several of the top teams in the NFL have either drafted one high or paid for one. It's one thing to not want to pay one after their rookie contract, and an entirely different thing to refuse to draft one high. 

 

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2 hours ago, TD alt said:

I just disagree in some respects. RBs are still valuable, and that's why several of the top teams in the NFL have either drafted one high or paid for one. It's one thing to not want to pay one after their rookie contract, and an entirely different thing to refuse to draft one high. 

 

Not many of the top teams have. Lots of bottom teams have.

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1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

Not many of the top teams have. Lots of bottom teams have.

Like I said, they may not want to pay for them, but prolific RBs are still valued. Detroit drafted Gibbs, the 49ers paid CMC. Philadelphia just paid Barkley. Baltimore just acquired one of the better backs in league history. Dallas would've drafted Brooks high had it not been for the ACL tear. There is no substitute for a great back. You can try to do things on the cheap, and might get away with it if you have a prolific QB, but great RBs are still valued. Teams just don't want to pay for them for fear of them getting injured. That's why you draft them if given the opportunity. Otherwise you have to pay for them later on.

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