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WR Diontae Johnson to Ravens

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Look, the Panthers just wanted to be rid of Johnson.  That's just the way it is.  The NFL knew at worst, they'd have to wait until FA to get Johnson, if he wasn't cut before that.  For the Panthers, you had someone who has shown he's not a culture guy like a Hubbard or a Brown.  Instead he's just here to get a check.  That's fine, but because he quit on routes, one of those led to an INT in the last game he played.  May as well get something rather than nothing.

Is Morgan the best or worst GM ever?  Nope.  We've had one off season.  There's still a lot of work on the Panthers end to get better.  I just am not sure how much Diante was going to move the needle forward.  If the NFL was offering a 3rd or 4th for Diante, then we would have taken that.  I think everyone calling Morgan a dumb dumb over this are over reacting.  We're one of the worst teams in the NFL.  What makes our talent so appealing?  If you're having a "fire sale" then ALL your assets are depreciated.

Johnson becomes WR 3/4 in Baltimore.  If any team thought he was a WR1/2, then they would have traded for him.  He's a good player.  He's a great separator.  But is he your clutch WR in the last 2 minutes on a pivotal drive?  I don't think so.

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2 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Mike Kaye just called the trade "alarming"

 

When you lose the beat writers of Charlotte you know we are in trouble

When it came to the trade of Diontae Johnson, Mike told Kyle that this deal made it clear that Diontae Johnson was not staying past this year and you couldn’t get as much for him in part because it is essentially a rental Mike also noted that this deal sends the message that Carolina just wanted to get him out of the door.
 

He may have called it alarming but also stated what other people have said. We just wanted him out the door and took whatever offer we could get for a rental WR2. 

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Just now, ForJimmy said:

When it came to the trade of Diontae Johnson, Mike told Kyle that this deal made it clear that Diontae Johnson was not staying past this year and you couldn’t get as much for him in part because it is essentially a rental Mike also noted that this deal sends the message that Carolina just wanted to get him out of the door.
 

He may have called it alarming but also stated what other people have said. We just wanted him out the door and took whatever offer we could get for a rental WR2. 

Just wanting him out the door is a good way to lose any leverage, like he said whats the harm of waiting a couple more days. 

 

DJ must really really be an ass of a person

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2 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Just wanting him out the door is a good way to lose any leverage, like he said whats the harm of waiting a couple more days. 

 

DJ must really really be an ass of a person

It doesn’t really matter we weren’t getting close to what the Titans got for Hopkins so it’s not as big of a deal. I wish they ate more of his contract but it’s all about developing our young weapons now. 

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8 minutes ago, Luciu5 said:

I wonder how happy y'all would have been if we had just cut him? Jesus, some of y'all are some pathetic muthafugas.

You new here? LOL, welcome to the typical Huddle since Tepper bought the team....Well...it's not too different from 18 years ago?  (God, how much time have I spent here???)

Yes, a lot of fans aren't going to be happy unless the Panthers do exactly what they think is right.  Others are just generally unhappy at the team and this is their vent space.  We have all variety's of unhappy here! =0

I think most of it comes from a good place: we want the Panthers to be successful.  It's more fun to cheer for a good team.  I get it.  We've also watched floundering ineptitude for years.  We all just have different and strong opinions on how to fix it.

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32 minutes ago, d-dave said:

You new here? LOL, welcome to the typical Huddle since Tepper bought the team....Well...it's not too different from 18 years ago?  (God, how much time have I spent here???)

Yes, a lot of fans aren't going to be happy unless the Panthers do exactly what they think is right.  Others are just generally unhappy at the team and this is their vent space.  We have all variety's of unhappy here! =0

I think most of it comes from a good place: we want the Panthers to be successful.  It's more fun to cheer for a good team.  I get it.  We've also watched floundering ineptitude for years.  We all just have different and strong opinions on how to fix it.

I think most Panthers fans are just happy when the team wins. Fans are not happy because the Panthers organization continually makes bad decisions even a child playing madden can see are not helping the team win.

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1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

adam schfter is now saying the Ravens are in line for a 3rd compensatory pick if Johnson walks.  Which I guess makes sense and is the cherry on top for this poo trade

Part of it has to do with the Ravens who tend to let high priced FAs walk, acquire comp picks.  There's a formula having to do with money out and money in via Free Agency.  Usually, Baltimore leads in the comp pick game.

Now if Johnson had remained on the team for the rest of the season, let's just average it out (per game averages to this point + first half of season stats): 69 / 816 / 7 TD (I rounded up).  How much does an average WR 2 make who is 29 and has a history of melodrama?  Versus the rest of our FA needs.  I just don't think we'd end up with that 3rd round comp pick, but then again, I'm no NFL insider.

Now Johnson could go and light it up in Baltimore due to the sheer competency of the team, and earn a fatter payday in the off season to get them that 3rd round comp pick.  No way he was earning that in Carolina.

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Just now, d-dave said:

Part of it has to do with the Ravens who tend to let high priced FAs walk, acquire comp picks.  There's a formula having to do with money out and money in via Free Agency.  Usually, Baltimore leads in the comp pick game.

Now if Johnson had remained on the team for the rest of the season, let's just average it out (per game averages to this point + first half of season stats): 69 / 816 / 7 TD (I rounded up).  How much does an average WR 2 make who is 29 and has a history of melodrama?  Versus the rest of our FA needs.  I just don't think we'd end up with that 3rd round comp pick, but then again, I'm no NFL insider.

Now Johnson could go and light it up in Baltimore due to the sheer competency of the team, and earn a fatter payday in the off season to get them that 3rd round comp pick.  No way he was earning that in Carolina.

Looking over at our cap it doesnt appear we have much room to sign anyone as it stands now

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