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Bryce Young QB School

Jackie Lee

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I'm not really getting Lamar Jackson vibes from watching Ward, tho he is very dynamic and exciting too. He just doesn't seem as athletic / elusive.  But I'm pretty much just watching highlights, so I could be wrong. 

I don't think he needs to be Lamar to be real successful from what I'm seeing tho.

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37 minutes ago, Ghostofdelhomme said:

Baker has won one playoff game and Darnold had a good first half of a season, not unlike his tenure here. 
Jameis Winston still sucks. What other top 3 picks are still relevant that makes this a “trend”?

When did I say top 3 picks? Talking about starters who were unsuccessful or sent packing from one team to find more success on another--- Goff? Carr? Geno Smith?  Darnold? Baker?  --heck, if you take those QBs alone (5) you are talking about over 15% of the league.  But you are looking at performance and I am looking at skill set and fit.  What you did not mention is the bust rate for the rookie qbs who are drafted.  Why is that?  Fit and, in my view, opportunity to develop. I know that it is easy to say, "I saw this on TV"  or "but he has only been good for a short amount of time"  well, this process is not a lifetime achievement award.  Darnold was here for a half season--did he ever show the success he did here as he has in Minnesota?  Nope.  So what is the difference?  FIT. 

My point?  If Jones is a top 7 QB over the past 3 years when throwing from a clean pocket and here, we will have a top running back room (Hubbard and Brooks), a good young WR room, a good young developing TE, and a veteran, top 5 offensive line--those are the conditions that would make him throw from clean pockets.  That is all I am saying--did I give him a gold jacket?  I said it was risky.  So is drafting a QB.  I also mentioned other ways our team could improve.

But you decide to put words in my mouth and then argue against those words.  Brilliant.

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So trying to reboot Bridgewater, Darnold, and Mayfield's careers weren't enough... Now we're pushing for Daniel Jones?

Ergh. If he's cheap while we develop a rookie, fine.  But I have no interest in building around another team's reject. We have our own rejects to build around 🥴

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28 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Likewise. Not sure how you are seeing that. Have definitely never seen that comp from anyone else.

It's his drop back/playing style from the pocket.  He and Lamar look so casual back there and both can launch the ball with a flick of the wrist.  However, Ward doesn't have Lamar's running ability at all.  He can run, but not like Lamar and he can't make defenders miss like that, especially in the next level.

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15 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

It's his drop back/playing style from the pocket.  He and Lamar look so casual back there and both can launch the ball with a flick of the wrist.  However, Ward doesn't have Lamar's running ability at all.  He can run, but not like Lamar and he can't make defenders miss like that, especially in the next level.

They are not the only QB's that have ever played with a seemingly casual style. Really outside that they are not very similar at all.

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7 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

They are not the only QB's that have ever played with a seemingly casual style. Really outside that they are not very similar at all.

And where did anyone say they were? I’m saying that’s where the comp comes from. I agree they are different. No two QBs are the same even that Nebraska QB is different than Mahomes no matter how hard he tries…

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On 11/8/2024 at 11:56 AM, MHS831 said:

When did I say top 3 picks? Talking about starters who were unsuccessful or sent packing from one team to find more success on another--- Goff? Carr? Geno Smith?  Darnold? Baker?  --heck, if you take those QBs alone (5) you are talking about over 15% of the league.  But you are looking at performance and I am looking at skill set and fit.  What you did not mention is the bust rate for the rookie qbs who are drafted.  Why is that?  Fit and, in my view, opportunity to develop. I know that it is easy to say, "I saw this on TV"  or "but he has only been good for a short amount of time"  well, this process is not a lifetime achievement award.  Darnold was here for a half season--did he ever show the success he did here as he has in Minnesota?  Nope.  So what is the difference?  FIT. 

My point?  If Jones is a top 7 QB over the past 3 years when throwing from a clean pocket and here, we will have a top running back room (Hubbard and Brooks), a good young WR room, a good young developing TE, and a veteran, top 5 offensive line--those are the conditions that would make him throw from clean pockets.  That is all I am saying--did I give him a gold jacket?  I said it was risky.  So is drafting a QB.  I also mentioned other ways our team could improve.

But you decide to put words in my mouth and then argue against those words.  Brilliant.

Carr sucks? He’s worse on the saints. All the other qb’s are average that ended up on good teams with Hall of Fame receivers, except Geno, but he has one great one and Lockett/Njigba. I’m sure even Bryce would do well throwing to Jefferson. But yes, if your team is stacked a decent qb can put up some decent numbers 

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3 hours ago, Ghostofdelhomme said:

Carr sucks? He’s worse on the saints. All the other qb’s are average that ended up on good teams with Hall of Fame receivers, except Geno, but he has one great one and Lockett/Njigba. I’m sure even Bryce would do well throwing to Jefferson. But yes, if your team is stacked a decent qb can put up some decent numbers 

Amazing.  You make a mistake when you present opinions as if you are all knowing and everyone else needs your condescending correction.  So, OK.  Thanks for the wisdom--now back to work--those fries don't pull themselves out of that oil.

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14 hours ago, MHS831 said:

Amazing.  You make a mistake when you present opinions as if you are all knowing and everyone else needs your condescending correction.  So, OK.  Thanks for the wisdom--now back to work--those fries don't pull themselves out of that oil.

For someone who thinks Carr had a “revival”, you must be the guy who cleans the fryer baskets

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On 11/8/2024 at 11:56 AM, MHS831 said:

When did I say top 3 picks? Talking about starters who were unsuccessful or sent packing from one team to find more success on another--- Goff? Carr? Geno Smith?  Darnold? Baker?  --heck, if you take those QBs alone (5) you are talking about over 15% of the league.  But you are looking at performance and I am looking at skill set and fit.  What you did not mention is the bust rate for the rookie qbs who are drafted.  Why is that?  Fit and, in my view, opportunity to develop. I know that it is easy to say, "I saw this on TV"  or "but he has only been good for a short amount of time"  well, this process is not a lifetime achievement award.  Darnold was here for a half season--did he ever show the success he did here as he has in Minnesota?  Nope.  So what is the difference?  FIT. 

My point?  If Jones is a top 7 QB over the past 3 years when throwing from a clean pocket and here, we will have a top running back room (Hubbard and Brooks), a good young WR room, a good young developing TE, and a veteran, top 5 offensive line--those are the conditions that would make him throw from clean pockets.  That is all I am saying--did I give him a gold jacket?  I said it was risky.  So is drafting a QB.  I also mentioned other ways our team could improve.

But you decide to put words in my mouth and then argue against those words.  Brilliant.

Lmao, D.Jones first half against us just proved this was all a laughing matter 

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