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2 hours ago, Silent Majority said:

No tf it doesn't 

Yeah you’re right. Wilks actually had UDFA P.J. Walker looking like a starting QB. Meanwhile our run game under Wilks was just as good as it is now and our defense was just as bad. Here’s a stat for you…

Since 11/21/21 (almost three years ago) the Panthers have scored 30+ points six times, three of those times were when Wilks was head coach for 12 games.

The Panthers aren’t a good football team and winning this game doesn’t change that.

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16 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

There comes a point when you have to look at BY game and ask yourself, based on his performance, if he hadnt been the 1st overall pick, would he be starting in this league, or even a backup ? For me, the answer is simple, no. Bryce's game stats are what most QBs accomplish in a half or less on a regular basis. We can win games, but the ultimate goal should always be to make this team a contender. I'm over the feel good wins. At some point you have to accept reality. To compete in a pass friendly league you have to be able to throw the ball with consistency, accuracy, and strength. We're not doing that and we're not getting a winning season, much less into the playoffs, until we do.  

I don't disagree with any of what you said. 

Building the locker room culture, putting in young players in the right position to improve and have success.  I think everything they are currently doing IS to make this team a contender. 

There isn't another QB out there we could get that has more upside then Bryce.  After an awful start to the year and a benching Canales has him playing better and improving.  He current play is an asset. 

Bryce still has a lot of positives that make him worth keeping and starting.

He's young. 
Works hard.
He's improving.
Potential.
Team chemistry.
Elite pedigree.

What other option are you going with right now with a better potential payoff then what Canales is doing right now with the team and with Bryce?

If a better chance comes along to get another QB or any other player that will help us get better as a team and an organization, then what we currently have, I'm all for it.

 

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4 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

He literally air mailed what could have been a game sealing screen pass. 

what game are you watching 

I mean he's making NFL throws in accordance with the teams gameplan of being run heavy and conservative with passing.  I should have been more specific and said the "types" of throws Canales is asking him to make.

I did not mean he's made "ever single throw".  Nor am I saying he perfect or that his present play is good and we don't have a QB problem anymore or are ready to make a superbowl run.

He also didn't throw any interceptions, made a number of clutch throws, good decisions and was one of the reasons we won.  That throw on the second to last series on 3rd down to XL was clutch and a great throw.

Chubba fumbled.  XL had an easy catch bounce off his chest.  Bryce missed an easy throw to the flat.  A lot of players had chances to seal the win. 

 

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6 minutes ago, Loyalty4Life said:

I mean he's making NFL throws in accordance with the teams gameplan of being run heavy and conservative with passing.  I should have been more specific and said the "types" of throws Canales is asking him to make.

I did not mean he's made "ever single throw".  Nor am I saying he perfect or that his present play is good and we don't have a QB problem anymore or are ready to make a superbowl run.

He also didn't throw any interceptions, made a number of clutch throws, good decisions and was one of the reasons we won.  That throw on the second to last series on 3rd down to XL was clutch and a great throw.

Chubba fumbled.  XL had an easy catch bounce off his chest.  Bryce missed an easy throw to the flat.  A lot of players had chances to seal the win. 

 

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25 minutes ago, Loyalty4Life said:

I don't disagree with any of what you said. 

Building the locker room culture, putting in young players in the right position to improve and have success.  I think everything they are currently doing IS to make this team a contender. 

There isn't another QB out there we could get that has more upside then Bryce.  After an awful start to the year and a benching Canales has him playing better and improving.  He current play is an asset. 

Bryce still has a lot of positives that make him worth keeping and starting.

He's young. 
Works hard.
He's improving.
Potential.
Team chemistry.
Elite pedigree.

What other option are you going with right now with a better potential payoff then what Canales is doing right now with the team and with Bryce?

If a better chance comes along to get another QB or any other player that will help us get better as a team and an organization, then what we currently have, I'm all for it.

 

We have Dalton and possibly Plummer ATM. Neither are great options. The time to address this was in the off season when we actively chose to not bring in any real competition. Bryce played Josh Rosen level bad last year. 1st pick or not, you can't just hand the starting position to that level of QB play and be taken seriously. After the 1st 2 games he was benched and many were blaming the supporting cast, but then Dalton lit up the Raiders with the same cast. If you're willing to bench him 2 games into the season, you're openly admitting he wasn't ready to be the only option at starter. 

We have no good options right now and that is a huge failure of the FO. We didn't win today because of BY, we won in spite of him. Chuba carried this team. Bryce did nothing extraordinary. He played a game you would expect to see from any backup QB in the league. If the Giants D wasn't so horrible against the run, do you think BY would have been able to put 300 yards and 3 scores on the board? I don't and that's my problem. When the game is on the line, and we saw it twice today (Coker and Chuba) he couldn't make the pass. That's a basic NFL pass. Daboll didn't respect him enough and punted away with 3 minutes on the clock and had the ball back in under a minute. 

Maybe I'm wrong and BY becomes great and that would be the best thing for the team and I will happily eat crow. The worst thing is he becomes mediocre and we consider that success and stop trying to get better at the position and we live every year somewhere between 6-8 wins. 

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2 hours ago, Bama Panther said:

10 points in first 3 drives/21 plays of the game. 10 points in the next 9 drives/39 plays. That shows far more comfortability with the scripted set of plays than with the remainder of the offensive play calling. 

coming away with ZERO points off both INT and Gano's FG miss is unacceptable especially against a bad giants team

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3 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Strange hill to die on

How so?  I would think a win is more important than how many yards the QB passed for.

The hill I'm on is Bryce is improving and being an asset at QB and that continuing to do that would be the best possible outcome for the Panthers.

I like that better than the Bryce is the worst QB ever and has no chance or potential to improve and turn into a starting level QB in this league.  It's over.  Stick a fork in us.

If it were up to the huddle, we'd have already cut Brown, Chubba, Horn and just about every player we've had who didn't come out of the gates a finished pro bowler from the first snap.

 

 

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22 minutes ago, Loyalty4Life said:

I mean he's making NFL throws in accordance with the teams gameplan of being run heavy and conservative with passing.  I should have been more specific and said the "types" of throws Canales is asking him to make.

I did not mean he's made "ever single throw".  Nor am I saying he perfect or that his present play is good and we don't have a QB problem anymore or are ready to make a superbowl run.

He also didn't throw any interceptions, made a number of clutch throws, good decisions and was one of the reasons we won.  That throw on the second to last series on 3rd down to XL was clutch and a great throw.

Chubba fumbled.  XL had an easy catch bounce off his chest.  Bryce missed an easy throw to the flat.  A lot of players had chances to seal the win. 

 

Chubba fumbled while having his ack stretched to its breaking point, and was the only reason the team had a lead when it did. Dont compare him to Bryce. 

The only reason the panthers are running a 1940s offense is because they don’t have the qb to do anything else. Youre congratulating Bryce on running an anemic offense his inadequacies force them to run. 

Good on Bryce for managing one of the worst offenses in the league. 

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