DJ Wonnum effect

[Basbear]

Man this defense just needs depth.

[Prowler2k18]

22 hours ago, Basbear said:

Man this defense just needs depth.

We need an overall infusion of talent on D but it starts in the trenches. A true NT, DE/Edge, then FS and another potential starter opposite Jaycee Horn would do wonders for our D. 

[Davidson Deac II]

22 hours ago, Basbear said:

Man this defense just needs depth.

I kind of feel like we have depth.  What we need are more starters.  I mean some of the guys we have would make excellent backups.  

[kungfoodude]

23 hours ago, Basbear said:

Man this defense just needs depth.

They also need talent. Like....a lot of it.

[Jon Snow]

53 minutes ago, Davidson Deac II said:

I kind of feel like we have depth.  What we need are more starters.  I mean some of the guys we have would make excellent backups.  

Exactly. What we lack is true nfl starters. We have enough backups. 

[kungfoodude]

56 minutes ago, Davidson Deac II said:

I kind of feel like we have depth.  What we need are more starters.  I mean some of the guys we have would make excellent backups.  

We have XFL depth players. Very few NFL depth players.

[Basbear]

1 hour ago, Davidson Deac II said:

I kind of feel like we have depth.  What we need are more starters.  I mean some of the guys we have would make excellent backups.  

 

18 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

They also need talent. Like....a lot of it.

 

18 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Exactly. What we lack is true nfl starters. We have enough backups. 

 

I maybe huffin the hopuim too much for the defense during 2 games winning.

 

If DJ played like that each game(??), DBrown, Turlte, ARob(who's been like Dbrown), clowny

 

That's a solid front 5, or is it too much homer huffin??

 

Then Jewell and Shaq

 

Again solid, not trash or elite.

 

Horn(heathly) Mike Jackson. Dane Jackson, Woods, and Fuller

 

I swear the "solid" enough feels are here again

 

Of course Id love to drop a elite edge and have DJ come off the bench or another stud CB, but I swear if that group was 100% healthy I feel they'd be around 18th best. (yes still need a true NT). 

Please correct me.

[Davidson Deac II]

22 minutes ago, Basbear said:

 

 

 

I maybe huffin the hopuim too much for the defense during 2 games winning.

 

If DJ played like that each game(??), DBrown, Turlte, ARob(who's been like Dbrown), clowny

 

That's a solid front 5, or is it too much homer huffin??

 

Then Jewell and Shaq

 

Again solid, not trash or elite.

 

Horn(heathly) Mike Jackson. Dane Jackson, Woods, and Fuller

 

I swear the "solid" enough feels are here again

 

Of course Id love to drop a elite edge and have DJ come off the bench or another stud CB, but I swear if that group was 100% healthy I feel they'd be around 18th best. (yes still need a true NT). 

Please correct me.

I am thrilled as anyone with the recent play.

That being said, the Giants have the worst passing game in the NFL.  

My thought is we need Brown back and a good defensive end, as well as at least one good linebacker.   I think Shaq may be done, and even if he isn't, might be time to get a guy who can replace him when he is done.  And maybe another safety.  

Edited November 13, 2024 by Davidson Deac II

[Basbear]

4 minutes ago, Davidson Deac II said:

I am thrilled as anyone with the recent play.

That being said, the Giants have the worst passing game in the NFL.  

My thought is we need Brown back and a good defensive end, as well as at least one good linebacker.   I think Shaq may be done, and even if he isn't, might be time to get a guy who can replace him when he is done.  And maybe another safety.  

Yep the wins came against other bad teams, still they are NFL teams and on the schedule.

I was thinking like you and just proof "These guys are solid enough, just need to stay healthy" Shaq said he wants to play five more years and already said hes coming back. Give the guy the vet min and duel it out with Wallace for starting or even rotate them some. 

Of course I want a playmaking edge. I said solid too many times, but difference makers are not solid. There's no turnover, sack machine, big play player on the unit with Dbrown healthy, sorry not sorry. I feel that would push the team over the top, just having heath and one sack/pressure/TO/FF machine on the line. NT would not hurt either, a true one. 

[Panthero]

Need a legit run stuffing NT. A guy brown can pair with to get teams running game under control. Give me corleone from Cincinnati, in the fourth. 

[Jon Snow]

1 hour ago, Basbear said:

 

 

 

I maybe huffin the hopuim too much for the defense during 2 games winning.

 

If DJ played like that each game(??), DBrown, Turlte, ARob(who's been like Dbrown), clowny

 

That's a solid front 5, or is it too much homer huffin??

 

Then Jewell and Shaq

 

Again solid, not trash or elite.

 

Horn(heathly) Mike Jackson. Dane Jackson, Woods, and Fuller

 

I swear the "solid" enough feels are here again

 

Of course Id love to drop a elite edge and have DJ come off the bench or another stud CB, but I swear if that group was 100% healthy I feel they'd be around 18th best. (yes still need a true NT). 

Please correct me.

Put the pipe down. You are what your record says you are. They need talent and a lot of it. Brown is set but he can use upgrades all around him. ARob is fine but a short timer so competition is needed as a hedge against him chasing money next year. They need a bunch of LBs. Jewell is stopgap and Shaq is losing a step. He's the smartest of the group but he can no longer hang with a TE. They are playing harder yes, but it's due to grit and pride more than skill. They are finally getting tired of getting their asses kicked. Unfortunately for them the beatings will continue until moral improves. 

[strato]

Shaq tore his achilles. I repeat, torn achilles.

10 year vet that didn't make it out of September two years running. 

I think he deserves to stick around and prove it but I would not be counting on him being the player he was.

[Khyber53]

On 11/11/2024 at 7:48 AM, Davidson Deac II said:

I agree it looked better.  We no longer look historically bad. But we still need to make a lot of additions in the offseason.  

But playing against the Giants does help statistically.  

Green shoots coming up. Finally.

Still too early to tell if they'll be fruitful long-term, or if they're just weeds, but at least something is coming up from this manure pile we've made here.

[d-dave]

I was really impressed by Wonnum's get off.  As others have said, he looks like he was shot out of a cannon with his first couple steps.  That's great!  I know that he's had a hard go the last several months.  To be out there must have been a dream come true.  He still has it.

I hope he can stay that hungry and excited.  

As far as the defense, they have made enough plays the last two weeks to win.  They aren't a shutdown defense, but they are not the entire reason we've got a poor record.  Look, I want to be as hopeful as anyone here.  I'm not a huge fan of living in a perpetual cloud of misery.  I did that too long.  But the Giants are just a bad of a team as us and it took to OT...  Let's be realistic.  We still need a lot of help.

Are there some good pieces we can work with?  Yes!  We're still letting anyone run wild on us.  You've got to stop the run in the NFL and force teams into 3rd and long.  We're not that kind of defense right now.

I'm going to continue to watch the Panthers.  Looking for the week to week improvements.  Sometimes it will crash and burn.  That's the way it goes!