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Forget about Bryce, Dave Canales is who we should be talking about.


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16 minutes ago, BullCityP said:

Bryce can make EVERY throw Dalton can. I can see if you were comparing him to Josh Allen or someone with a cannon.

I don't think that's true about every throw Dalton can. That ignores having Dalton come in to throw the Hail Mary, just for one.  But he played well. 

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3 hours ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Comparing the arm strength of 23 year old BY and 37 year old Dalton isn't the win you think it is. 

Yeah at one point last season we took our first overall pick off the field in favor of an aging Andy Dalton to have him throw a hail mary. If you weren't a Panthers fan you would laugh. Obviously Bryce looked better in many phases but there are still situations where his arm limits what the offense can do. It should not be controversial to acknowledge that reality that we've all seen with our own two eyes. That's why many people myself included want to see new additions to the QB room in 2025 regardless of what transpires the rest of the season.

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