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Not sure how being bottom 10 in passing justifies so much confidence..

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9 hours ago, rayzor said:

that's going to be a hard sell for some, but i'm buying it. 

There's only four or five people left on here that poo on everything Bryce does so it's not that bad on here anymore. Hopefully he continues to improve his game. He's not an mvp candidate but he's playing better and deserves the chance to start next year. 

The best thing for this team is Bryce playing well and showing he can be a good qb in the league so that we don't have to go back into qb purgatory 

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34 minutes ago, frankw said:

For anyone curious his new passer rating puts him right between Aiden O'Connell and Andy Dalton.

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I'm happy he's improving but maybe we should keep things in perspective here.

O'Connell just had a game so ugly he got benched for Desmond Ridder. Andy Dalton was so bad we had to go back to Bryce. I mean to consider this is as good news for our first overall pick is a very low bar even for this franchise.

And Stroud is a 87.9. If he can get closer to Stroud it’s a win right? Look he is trending in the right direction. It’s encouraging. Hopefully he keeps it up and gets better. 

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44 minutes ago, frankw said:

For anyone curious his new passer rating puts him right between Aiden O'Connell and Andy Dalton.

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I'm happy he's improving but maybe we should keep things in perspective here.

O'Connell just had a game so ugly he got benched for Desmond Ridder. Andy Dalton was so bad we had to go back to Bryce. I mean to consider this is as good news for our first overall pick is a very low bar even for this franchise.

Frank, that's the point. So do you really think Bryce has been playing just below "being benched" level? Honestly? That's what you see in the last 4 weeks? There are a LOT of things going on that he can't control and there are not 20 QBs playing better than Bryce in the NFL right now. 

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20 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

And Stroud is a 87.9. If he can get closer to Stroud it’s a win right? Look he is trending in the right direction. It’s encouraging. Hopefully he keeps it up and gets better. 

Stroud finished 6th in the NFL in passer rating as a rookie.

I want the same thing anyone else wants if Bryce is the QB of the future that's fantastic. But his body of work will be judged as if he is a first overall pick not some small school QB we took a mid to late round flyer on.

11 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

there are not 20 QBs playing better than Bryce in the NFL right now. 

Let's just agree to disagree.

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I also think the "eye test" is kinda weighted against Bryce's game.  If he's going to be great in this league his accuracy will have to make up for his disadvantages and reliably. It won't be as flashy as an Anthony Richardson highlight reel.

 

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2 minutes ago, scpanther22 said:

No one should be asking this if they watched him play at the start of the year. It wasn't just bad play it looked like he didn't know how to play QB at all.. this is lightyears better

He is light year better than he was.  But to say he is suddenly top 20 qb in the league is a far far stretch.  He is way way better thsn he was but still would put him where his qbr had him around 25th out of 32 qbs in nfl.  But he could improve just at this moment he is what he is. 

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38 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

And Stroud is a 87.9. If he can get closer to Stroud it’s a win right? Look he is trending in the right direction. It’s encouraging. Hopefully he keeps it up and gets better. 

And just an FYI. Kyle Allen had 255.5 yards per game in 2019. That would make him 6th in the NFL this season.

With that in mind would you agree it's worth noting that the comparative improvements Bryce Young has made the last 5 games as a passer are in the midst of what is clearly a rare down year for passing as a whole?

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20 minutes ago, frankw said:

Stroud finished 6th in the NFL in passer rating as a rookie.

I want the same thing anyone else wants if Bryce is the QB of the future that's fantastic. But his body of work will be judged as if he is a first overall pick not some small school QB we took a mid to late round flyer on.

Let's just agree to disagree.

Umm ok but we are talking about recent play? I think Stroud is a great QB and if Young can get close to playing like him currently that’s a win IMO. Baby steps here. 

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1 minute ago, frankw said:

And just an FYI. Kyle Allen had 255.5 yards per game in 2019. That would make him 6th in the NFL this season.

With that in mind would you agree it's worth noting that the comparative improvements Bryce Young has made the last 5 games as a passer are in the midst of what is clearly a rare down year for passing as a whole?

I still think right situation and good team around him he stays healthy kyle allen could put up really good numbers and be a good qb for a team

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5 minutes ago, frankw said:

And just an FYI. Kyle Allen had 255.5 yards per game in 2019. That would make him 6th in the NFL this season.

With that in mind would you agree it's worth noting that the comparative improvements Bryce Young has made the last 5 games as a passer are in the midst of what is clearly a rare down year for passing as a whole?

So it’s a down year for passers AKA defenses are playing better against the pass with the 2 high. So Bryce is developing into a better passer in a year where defenses are playing better? I’m confused about the argument here? 

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2 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

So it’s a down year for passers AKA defenses are playing better against the pass with the 2 high. So Bryce is developing into a better passer in a year where defenses are playing better? I’m confused about the argument here? 

I don't think the low passing yardage is a direct reflection of defensive improvement as much as it is that teams are running the ball a lot more. There are still teams airing it out there were 7 QB's with over 300 passing yards last Sunday.

And let's be honest. There was much talk of how good both the Chiefs and Eagles defenses were before we played them and both looked largely meh.

Clearly this conversation boils down to a difference in viewpoint. Some people see this through only a lens that Bryce Young has "improved" and nothing else. Others see it through a viewpoint that while he has improved there are other circumstances to consider.

If Bryce is truly taking grown man steps forward then he will put up even more impressive numbers in the coming weeks. Right now he is realistically in the 25 out of 32 range and we are considering that an upgrade.

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