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[KSpan]

27 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

Darnold was literally turning it around here. 

And that was WITHOUT McCaffrey

Eh, he wasn't losing games by any means but he was nowhere near where he currently is. Running game carried that team hard through the tail end of 2022, but he didn't cause the team to lose games. I'll agree though that he certainly wasn't as rough as times in the past. I think the year off in SF had a significant impact. 

3 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Remember when I said we should continue with the Darnold/Wilks combo?

 

You Darnold non believers hold my beer.

Wilks is/was not a long term solution. He is a poor man's John Fox, and while keeping him on was better than the Reich disaster it was by no means going to result in a leap of success. 

[electro's horse]

4 minutes ago, KSpan said:

Eh, he wasn't losing games by any means but he was nowhere near where he currently is.

Yes. that’s what “turning” means, especially with the gift of hindsight. 

it’s weird to actually see the term applied correctly, as opposed to the huddle currently where it means “over the last nine games if you look at these seven and extrapolate them out to a full season and do a regression analysis of every play that SHOULD have been made and include them you have a top 20 player.”

Edited December 30, 2024 by electro's horse

[KSpan]

Just now, electro's horse said:

Yes. that’s what “turning” means, especially with the gift of hindsight. 

it’s weird to actually see the term applied correctly, as opposed to here where it means “over the last nine games if you look at these seven and extrapolate them out to a full season and do a regression analysis of every play that SHOULD have been made and include them you have a top 20 player.”

I don't think he was really playing all that differently than he was before, just not being asked to do as much and benefitting from the strong run game vs how he is truly driving the Vikings offense now. Regardless, my point was that he wasn't going to make significant progress on Carolina's roster. Both things can be true. 

[electro's horse]

2 minutes ago, KSpan said:

Regardless, my point was that he wasn't going to make significant progress on Carolina's roster. Both things can be true. 

He literally did. His qb rating went from 71.9 in 2021 to 92.6 in 2022.

 

[Ricky Spanish]

1 hour ago, KSpan said:

Too many drives stalling inside the 20 to say he/the offense did enough. That's the current reality. And I specifically said it doesn't need to be every game. 'Almost winning' isn't good enough - Mahomes, Allen, etc sure figure out ways to win those close games. need to see the ability to overcome that and win these types of games to get into that echelon of franchise QB. Not every time, but often enough.

3 straight games Bryce had the ball in his hands at the end of the game and he personally did enough to win, but you say he didn't do enough? Do you want him to play defense too? With him on the field and under a minute to go, would that be him doing enough to win? Do you want him to be the running back so that he doesn't fumble the ball in OT after getting into FG range?

With your logic, Allen didn't do enough in the playoffs back in the 2021 AFC championship game when the defense gave up a score with 13 seconds left on the clock. What a scrub, should have found a way to win.

[KSpan]

29 minutes ago, Ricky Spanish said:

3 straight games Bryce had the ball in his hands at the end of the game and he personally did enough to win, but you say he didn't do enough? Do you want him to play defense too? With him on the field and under a minute to go, would that be him doing enough to win? Do you want him to be the running back so that he doesn't fumble the ball in OT after getting into FG range?

With your logic, Allen didn't do enough in the playoffs back in the 2021 AFC championship game when the defense gave up a score with 13 seconds left on the clock. What a scrub, should have found a way to win.

For the third time now, not every game will be a win. That is not the expectation. But in your cherry-picked example, let me know when Bryce has a day where he posts 400 total yards/4 TDs and 90% of the production as the sole driver of the offense, as Allen did, en route to that type of loss and my opinion will be different about said cherry-picked single game.

Edited December 30, 2024 by KSpan

[CamWhoaaCam]

2 hours ago, KSpan said:

Eh, he wasn't losing games by any means but he was nowhere near where he currently is. Running game carried that team hard through the tail end of 2022, but he didn't cause the team to lose games. I'll agree though that he certainly wasn't as rough as times in the past. I think the year off in SF had a significant impact. 

Wilks is/was not a long term solution. He is a poor man's John Fox, and while keeping him on was better than the Reich disaster it was by no means going to result in a leap of success. 

Tell that to the players who vouched for him. Tell that to the Nat'l media who vouched for him because he earned the job.

 

We all know why we didn't run it back with Wilks it's because Tepper felt he had too much control. The man is a man's man and Tepper couldn't take it.

 

It is what it is we have Bryce and Canales now we are heading in the right direction.

[45catfan]

https://www.vikings.com/video/vikings-mob-darnold-in-locker-room-following-win-over-green-bay

[jtb]

9 minutes ago, KSpan said:

For the third time now, not every game will be a win. That is not the expectation. But in your cherry-picked example, let me know when Bryce has a day where he posts 400 total yards/4 TDs and 90% of the production as the sole driver of the offense, as Allen did, en route to that type of loss and my opinion will be different about said cherry-picked single game.

I haven't posted in this forum for over six years, but made a new account just to respond to you. 

 

We are on pace to give up the most points in NFL history. The problem is not Young, dimwit. 

[Jon Snow]

2 minutes ago, jtb said:

I haven't posted in this forum for over six years, but made a new account just to respond to you. 

 

We are on pace to give up the most points in NFL history. The problem is not Young, dimwit. 

Don't waste your time. 

[kass]

14 minutes ago, KSpan said:

For the third time now, not every game will be a win. That is not the expectation. But in your cherry-picked example, let me know when Bryce has a day where he posts 400 total yards/4 TDs and 90% of the production as the sole driver of the offense, as Allen did, en route to that type of loss and my opinion will be different about said cherry-picked single game.

Can you point us to the game were Allen had 4td and 400 yards during his two first seasons.

You know, just to see if the cherry picking argument is being used fairly.... 

[KSpan]

5 minutes ago, jtb said:

I haven't posted in this forum for over six years, but made a new account just to respond to you. 

 

We are on pace to give up the most points in NFL history. The problem is not Young, dimwit. 

Well hey now, thanks for making me feel special! Young is still a limitation. He can be limited and the defense still be historically awful. Both things can be true, numbnuts.

[45catfan]

Just now, KSpan said:

Well hey now, thanks for making me feel special! Young is still a limitation. He can be limited and the defense still be historically awful. Both things can be true, numbnuts.

Both are true.

[KSpan]

1 minute ago, kass said:

Can you point us to the game were Allen had 4td and 400 yards during his two first seasons.

You know, just to see if the cherry picking argument is being used fairly.... 

Y'all have completely moved the goalposts and lost sight of the point entirely. I did not bring up Allen nor did I say anything about that other than to respond to the ludicrous comment that was made.

My point was simply that franchise QBs find ways to win certain types of games, games where (as one example) poor defense needs to be overcome. That's not happening yet in Carolina and that is a big metric for being a 'franchise QB'. It really is that simple and all that was said. 

My original comment for reference, in its entirety:

"We aren't winning because of him either. Gotta have that from a true franchise QB. Not every single game of course, but more often that not."