Canales still believes in Evero

[Mr. Scot]

On 1/1/2025 at 11:05 AM, Ricky Spanish said:

It's Dave's call.

Which Dave?

[Mr. Scot]

On 1/1/2025 at 6:23 PM, Jackie Lee said:

I believe Tepper forced Ron to switch to 3-4 and it's been a mess ever since. 

Tepper suggested it.

Marty acquired players for it.

Rivera announced it...then hardly ever ran it.

 

[Mr. Scot]

On 1/1/2025 at 1:29 PM, outlaw4 said:

I'll believe it if Evero is still here come draft day.

It's possible he "believes" more in Robert Saleh.

[OneBadCat]

We gotta get Brown back and Mason Graham in the line up to really see what’s up. 

[mickeye76]

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

It's possible he "believes" more in Robert Saleh.

This could happen. A switch to 4-3 again could help. I don't think the transition to a 3-4 ever really took. I hope this all shakes out in time for the draft. 

[outlaw4]

4 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

It's possible he "believes" more in Robert Saleh.

At the least, it's a name that must be in his head as a contingency. We're all talking about the possibility of Evero getting fired but he didn't exactly want to stay with us in the first place. That may still be the case now, especially since we kinda ruined his reputation by doing so.

Edited January 4, 2025 by outlaw4

[panthers55]

The scheme is inconsistent and ineffective. It doesn't matter who is out there. We sucked when we started the year and haven't improved much in points surrendered which is the only defensive Stat that matters. We give up more points in the last 2 minutes of either half than anyone else. That has to be scheme. I want an aggressive attacking defense whether it be 3-4 or 4-3 or some hybrid. Evero's weak zone bend until you break drives me crazy. I for one won't miss him if he goes.

[Butterflyj30]

I wouldn't be mad if Dave gave him another year

[Aussie Tank]

It's a perfect time for a new DC that side of the ball is deviod of so much talent we could go any way they want. Tepper is going to need to open his cheque book though to get a good one 

[CPantherKing]

Josey Jewell is Evero's chosen leader. He's never led a defense to a winning season.

I keep hearing Derrick Brown and Jaycee Horn are good while they've failed to lead a defense to a winning season or a division championship. Fuller and Robinson won a SB. Shaq went to a SB. Clowney went to a conference championship last season. Jackson has helped a defense to the playoffs and this is is his first season starting on a losing team. Woods has won in the playoffs and had multiple winning seasons. Tuttle has been to the playoffs and started on a winning defense. DJ Wonnum has been to the playoffs.

So, the unproven ones on defense are Evero, Jewell, Brown and Horn. All the others have been at least playoff caliber under other DCs. Why is keeping the consistent losers the answer to improving the defense?

This excuse that Evero has defensive starters who drag down a DC is ridiculous. They are proven playoff level talent that can win in the league.

Evero and Jewell need to go. They will never have success in the NFL. Brown and Horn are talent a good DC can use, but they will never be defensive leaders.

[Aussie Tank]

2 hours ago, CPantherKing said:

Josey Jewell is Evero's chosen leader. He's never led a defense to a winning season.

I keep hearing Derrick Brown and Jaycee Horn are good while they've failed to lead a defense to a winning season or a division championship. Fuller and Robinson won a SB. Shaq went to a SB. Clowney went to a conference championship last season. Jackson has helped a defense to the playoffs and this is is his first season starting on a losing team. Woods has won in the playoffs and had multiple winning seasons. Tuttle has been to the playoffs and started on a winning defense. DJ Wonnum has been to the playoffs.

So, the unproven ones on defense are Evero, Jewell, Brown and Horn. All the others have been at least playoff caliber under other DCs. Why is keeping the consistent losers the answer to improving the defense?

This excuse that Evero has defensive starters who drag down a DC is ridiculous. They are proven playoff level talent that can win in the league.

Evero and Jewell need to go. They will never have success in the NFL. Brown and Horn are talent a good DC can use, but they will never be defensive leaders.

Well I agree Evaro needs to go you do know single players on defense don't lead teams to championships. 

[kungfoodude]

On 1/1/2025 at 4:08 PM, TD alt said:

I mean, yeah, but they knew they were making sacrifices in regards to the defense. With the injury to Brown and to a lesser extent Shaq, we were cooked. Sure, the FO is accountable for trying to ensure (and insure) that the (im)perfect storm doesn't happen, but making lemonade out of lemons is really not realistic in the NFL. Matt Rhule and Scott Fitterer (under pressure from David Tepper) left the roster in shambles from too many angles. Dan Morgan and company concentrated on offense last off-season with a so-so result, but still to the detriment of the defense, including a wing and a prayer at EDGE.

All that being said, I dislike the scheme, especially when you're trying to rebuild (and, yes, we were/are rebuilding regardless of what they say), but, then again, I guess that ripping the band-aid off is a rational approach during a transition. Still, I prefer a 4-3 base (admittedly, maybe because it's what I'm used to). I am highly skeptical of Evero's scheme because to me it makes it easier for the RB to gain a head of scheme, and if you don't have the speedy physical backers and safeties you're cooked. I'd much prefer that Evero goes, but if he stays he'll have a fairer shot to make a believer out of all us non-believers.

You can't completely blame one offseason for all our defensive or overall roster ills. That took multiple people multiple years to achieve. If we didn't know any better, one would assume Tepper was a Saints or Bucs or Falcons superfan with how efficiently he has brought people in to tear down this franchise.

[CmC2k]

8 hours ago, CPantherKing said:

Brown and Horn are talent a good DC can use, but they will never be defensive leaders

Both players are arguably top 5 in the NFL at their respective positions and have stated multiple times how they wanna be here and how they want this team to win. That sounds like a leader to me.

Edited January 5, 2025 by CmC2k

[kungfoodude]

10 minutes ago, CmC2k said:

Both players are arguably top 5 in the NFL at their respective positions and have stated multiple times how they wanna be here and how they want this team to win. That sounds like a leader to me.

I am not sure what list you are using but I don't believe very many would consider either of those guys top 5 at their position. They certainly have that potential but neither has been able to maintain that level of play for any real length of time.