Panthers and Horn talks will be interesting

[Jon Snow]

4yr $18M per sounds fair. Quibble over the guaranteed money if they want.

[ECHornet]

1 hour ago, Adb6368 said:

The best player at any given position is rarely the highest paid. Salary cap goes up annually giving more cash opportunity. New contracts are based on current/future salary cap and active contracts become outdated almost yearly. 

I understand how that works, but Surtain was just extended in September. He’s clearly been the highest performing CB from his class. 

I like Horn and want him to stay a Panther, but not at $24mil per year. 

Edited January 10 by ECHornet

[ProcessBlue2]

I like Jaycee and think he is important for us. BUT I feel like as soon as we extend him we won't see him 5-6 times per year. On the flipside, I feel like if he goes somewhere else he won't miss another game.

Panthers luck. 

[Zaximus]

It's very difficult.  You almost have to sign him despite the injuries and the PI calls.  I don't think we're in a position to lose any more talent.  I mean I'm not confident he won't get injured again but it's a tough position. 

[kungfoodude]

10 minutes ago, Zaximus said:

It's very difficult.  You almost have to sign him despite the injuries and the PI calls.  I don't think we're in a position to lose any more talent.  I mean I'm not confident he won't get injured again but it's a tough position. 

The bottom line is that we can't afford to have top 10 paid talent constantly not on the field. So, hopefully we can come to a good agreement for both parties that doesn't make him a top 10 paid guy, as he hasn't played like it consistently enough.

I would even be fine with a short term(2-3 year) pretty incentive laden deal that could allow him to get a mega contract with his next deal.

[PNW_PantherMan]

40 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

The bottom line is that we can't afford to have top 10 paid talent constantly not on the field. So, hopefully we can come to a good agreement for both parties that doesn't make him a top 10 paid guy, as he hasn't played like it consistently enough.

I would even be fine with a short term(2-3 year) pretty incentive laden deal that could allow him to get a mega contract with his next deal.

Plus his value is limited with 0 pass rush.  Mike Jack is would probably look like an all star with a good front 7.

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Plus his value is limited with 0 pass rush.  Mike Jack is would probably look like an all star with a good front 7.

Yeah, I mean there is that. But one has to assume we plan to attempt to fix the pass rush. How long that takes is anyones guess.

[broadwayjrdale]

I love him but I hate to say this but it is going to cost at least twenty million a year to keep him 

[broadwayjrdale]

1 minute ago, broadwayjrdale said:

I love him but I hate to say this but it is going to cost at least twenty million a year to keep him also if you go by pff mike Jackson was not that much worse 

 

[Navy_football]

He has to be extended. No brainer. But I would likely wait on this one. If he has another injury plagued year, then there's leverage to pay him less. If not, it probably won't have much impact. Unless of course he goes out and makes All Pro. But that's a good thing. 

[PNW_PantherMan]

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, I mean there is that. But one has to assume we plan to attempt to fix the pass rush. How long that takes is anyones guess.

Only so much money to go around.  Invested heavily in the offensive line.  Will likely extend Moton.  Extended Chuba.  We still need weapons on offense.  We still need a front 7 outside of Derrick Brown.  That's just how I see it.  I don't know how it makes sense to use what's left to lock down a guy that put up a similar PFF grade to Mike Jack.  I don't really worship those scores but it does align with what I saw this year.

[kungfoodude]

14 hours ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Only so much money to go around.  Invested heavily in the offensive line.  Will likely extend Moton.  Extended Chuba.  We still need weapons on offense.  We still need a front 7 outside of Derrick Brown.  That's just how I see it.  I don't know how it makes sense to use what's left to lock down a guy that put up a similar PFF grade to Mike Jack.  I don't really worship those scores but it does align with what I saw this year.

True but I don't think we will be making big, splash signings on the DL in free agency. It will be much of the same as we have been doing with attempts in the draft to get long term solutions. 

[panthers55]

If we can limit the guaranteed money upfront and pay out bonuses and incentives based on reaching certain playing milestones we can give him a great contract without too much risk

[SOJA]

pay the man