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Morgan at the Shrine Bowl, talks about looking for players who are passionate (dawgs)

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1 hour ago, theinstrumental said:

You’re describing technique. Which, I agree, is obviously important. But what I’m reacting against is the pushback on the idea that football character is worth drafting for. Physical attributes, technique, and football character (“dawg”) all matter. If you’re short of any of them, you’re probably going to fail. I don’t understand the eagerness in this thread to throw one of them out the window.

I’m talking about football talent. Technique is something you can learn and improve. Innate football talent is something that isn’t going to be learned. Bad route runners don’t become great ones. Bad hands don’t become great ones. Edge rushers don’t all of a sudden get amazing bend. There may be a little overlap in that players can improve, but some players just have better football skills.

All things equal, sure I want the guy who loves football and is super passionate, but I’m not going to want a passionate guy over Calvin Johnson. The whole Dawg thing was fun at first but that’s supposedly what Dan was looking for and we literally had the worst defense in NFL history.

Let’s just hope we draft some god damned good NFL players for once.

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2 hours ago, Tr3ach said:

I don't even mind factoring ras scores as one factor.  The problem with the high ras guys we've drafted is they intentionally skipped parts of the drills (mostly cones and shuttle agility drills) so the ras we are chasing is entirely just height, weight, and 40 time.  That's a joke and not really a ras score at all.

I can certainly agree with that. If it's just a singular factor that's one thing. But it seems to me we've definitely weighed more into it than we should and that started with Fitterer and to this point from my POV has continued under Morgan.

I mean let's not forget that Fitterer has had some of the worst overall drafts in franchise history even in comparison to Hurney which is really saying something. As hopeful and optimistic as we are and want to be this time of year there really has not been much change in the approach and the scouting department from all that still remains intact.

As important as this draft is for Dan it is more importantly a defining moment for the Panthers as a franchise for the next several years. It's the either the beginning of something really good or just more of the same.

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4 hours ago, WhoKnows said:

Umm, you need to let a combine result overrule the tape when, like @SmokinwithWilly mentioned, Greg Little’s combine drills were the worst of every OL in attendance. He was a PFF superstar with only 1 sack given up.

The numbers stuff can exaggerate good or bad too much, but all the drills they run are simulating actual plays/movements so doing poorly/well there is a good way to compare people and to show why you should take a chance on a Trey Smith in the 6th or not waste a chance on Deonte Brown in the 6th because one is skilled and the other benefited from first and second rounders all around him.

It really is funny how some of us armchair GMs can see the obvious but the Panthers GMs get fooled way too often.

What I meant was once you have a combine result, you will go back and review the tape again, and you will most likely see the results backed up, i.e. confirm the combine results.

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1 minute ago, Icege said:

I am so for trading back and being in range to land Green and/or Ezeiruaku.

 

I feel if you want green, you need to use the 8th on him. I know many don't have him as a top 10 guy, I for sure do. Nearly two months ago I was like WTF?!?!? 17 sacks??? lemme check him out, but God he's looks better. 

I don't know why teams or media are sleeping on him, sure its a deep edge draft and green is right there at the top. Hell I like him better than Carter....

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