Jalon Walker player comp: Haason Reddick

[jayboogieman]

1 minute ago, Basbear said:

 

Tepper and Co need to get over this RAS bullcrap. Get actual productive football players, not athletes that they think they can coach into being football players.

[tukafan21]

3 minutes ago, Basbear said:

 

I do agree and Im sure Ive said it before, players should be in full uniforms. The weight of that use to add 15 some LBs, not that with current tech. I agree there are gamers and suck at testing and there are workout warriors that are SOFT...

Just the game has changed, it favors speed, quickness, twitched up players are play makers. Sure the thinking and film watchers still make plays, but they are not for long if they lose some speed/quickness. Just the current game, tough went a long way.....now with all the rule changes and protection of players, tough guys can not will their way onto the team and stay for 10 years. 

Have you seen this, 30 is now a fossil in the NFL. They can still play, but price and twitch/quick/speed wise, they can not compete will the rookies... and each year there's like 1,000 players and 350 take jobs form those slower guys who just had 120 tacks....

I totally get it, but drafting players based on athletic ability and trying to project who they may become as they lose a step is a HORRIBLE way to draft players, it's how you end up with the Mingo's of the world

Outside of players with pre-existing health concerns, you can't draft based on who they might become in 5-7 years after they get worn down, you draft them for who you think they can become as a player and you hope they can stay healthy.

College Nick Foles is always someone I look back on when talking about practice vs games.

When he transferred to Arizona, he lost the starting QB spot in camp/practice, and badly so, to the point where it wasn't even close.  After a few games of the starter struggling, he got his shot, ran away with the job, set basically every Arizona passing record, was a 3rd round pick, ended up winning a SB and making a ton of money.  But even for his 3 years in college, it was a constant discussion point about how he was terrible in practice, even as a Senior when he was years long entrenched as our starter, it was talked about how bad he was in practice for some reason.  

I realize that's one extreme example, but it's always stuck with me when talking about how some players are just gamers, and when it's a real game, for whatever reason, they just play differently.

[kungfoodude]

31 minutes ago, Basbear said:

 

Bro, did you see that Morgan combine interview I posted here. If you listen, he uses RAS talk when talking what he wants. It's on front page. He was give some insight and not much GM-speak 

Dear God....us and the fuging RAS obsession.

Did the ghost of Al Davis haunt us when JR died??

[jfra78]

Tape matters most, but if your stuck between a few players and want to use RAS to figure it out, I got no problem with it.

[Basbear]

5 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

I totally get it, but drafting players based on athletic ability and trying to project who they may become as they lose a step is a HORRIBLE way to draft players, it's how you end up with the Mingo's of the world

Outside of players with pre-existing health concerns, you can't draft based on who they might become in 5-7 years after they get worn down, you draft them for who you think they can become as a player and you hope they can stay healthy.

College Nick Foles is always someone I look back on when talking about practice vs games.

When he transferred to Arizona, he lost the starting QB spot in camp/practice, and badly so, to the point where it wasn't even close.  After a few games of the starter struggling, he got his shot, ran away with the job, set basically every Arizona passing record, was a 3rd round pick, ended up winning a SB and making a ton of money.  But even for his 3 years in college, it was a constant discussion point about how he was terrible in practice, even as a Senior when he was years long entrenched as our starter, it was talked about how bad he was in practice for some reason.  

I realize that's one extreme example, but it's always stuck with me when talking about how some players are just gamers, and when it's a real game, for whatever reason, they just play differently.

 

It is a balancing act, its close to this

 

 

We both want the same goal- wins and production, there are different paths/lanes to improve each. 

 

[Jon Snow]

I don't like that comparison. 

[jayboogieman]

12 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Dear God....us and the fuging RAS obsession.

Did the ghost of Al Davis haunt us when JR died??

Nope. Got something worse before that happened, Tepper.

[jfra78]

Weighing in at 243 probably gets him to us and cements him as an ILB, and I'm more than okay with that.  

[kungfoodude]

5 minutes ago, jayboogieman said:

Nope. Got something worse before that happened, Tepper.

Undoubtedly.

[Jon Snow]

2 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

Weighing in at 243 probably gets him to us and cements him as an ILB, and I'm more than okay with that.  

He is a ILB/OLB depending on what defense he's in. I suspect he will play both here as Evero likes to switch it up during games. 

[jfra78]

2 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

He is a ILB/OLB depending on what defense he's in. I suspect he will play both here as Evero likes to switch it up during games. 

I agree with that.  I just think if he had weighed in at 250+ he would have shot up the board as a true edge.

[Jon Snow]

Just now, jfra78 said:

I agree with that.  I just think if he had weighed in at 250+ he would have shot up the board as a true edge.

Maybe. He's definitely an impact player as is.

[Aussie Tank]

I'd rather Pearce Jnr if we're taking Walker to play edge 

[Jon Snow]

2 minutes ago, Aussie Tank said:

I'd rather Pearce Jnr if we're taking Walker to play edge 

If those 2 are my only choice I would have to lean Pierce as the team stands now. But honestly either would help our defense tremendously.