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Panthers Prospect Visits/Meetings (Final Update-4/22)

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The terrifying thing about us drafting an athletic phenom that needs significant development is that it begs the question, how many of our draft picks ever actually develop? Seems like most of our guys are as good as they're going to get on the day we draft them. Hopefully this new staff can reverse that trend but it just seems like we've been drafting highly talented developmental prospects for years now and then completely fail to develop them.

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For people that are saying Shemar Stewart is not an elite talent, I think you are confusing talent with production. Shemar is 100% an elite talent. The draft is when you look at a guy like this and predict what he can be in the NFL. He is already a fantastic player against the run, has a RIDICULOUS motor, and elite traits. 

There is a reason why Travon Walker went ahead of Aiden Hutchinson in the draft. Projection. Both could be very good players, but which player, if he puts it all together, will be a game changer?

Not only do I think he will go top 10, he might even go ahead of our pick.

P.S. He doesn't even turn 22 until November.

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19 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The terrifying thing about us drafting an athletic phenom that needs significant development is that it begs the question, how many of our draft picks ever actually develop? Seems like most of our guys are as good as they're going to get on the day we draft them. Hopefully this new staff can reverse that trend but it just seems like we've been drafting highly talented developmental prospects for years now and then completely fail to develop them.

Greg Cosell was on Ross Tucker podcast and said Shemar Stewart was a wonderful athlete and a very talented player...however he currently has no idea how to pass rush and his film tape is average. 

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7 minutes ago, XClown1986 said:

For people that are saying Shemar Stewart is not an elite talent, I think you are confusing talent with production. Shemar is 100% an elite talent. The draft is when you look at a guy like this and predict what he can be in the NFL. He is already a fantastic player against the run, has a RIDICULOUS motor, and elite traits. 

There is a reason why Travon Walker went ahead of Aiden Hutchinson in the draft. Projection. Both could be very good players, but which player, if he puts it all together, will be a game changer?

Not only do I think he will go top 10, he might even go ahead of our pick.

P.S. He doesn't even turn 22 until November.

I don't know man. I watched them play Texas and Nick Scourton looked like the better player. He made a couple of plays, but he really didn't stand out as a pass rusher. 

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5 minutes ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

Greg Cosell was on Ross Tucker podcast and said Shemar Stewart was a wonderful athlete and a very talented player...however he currently has no idea how to pass rush and his film tape is average. 

All you have to do is look at his stat sheet. I'm sorry, someone with his measurables should have a lot more than 4.5 career sacks simply from being on the field. Players make plays. Workout warriors show out at the Combine and leave everyone scratching their heads why they didn't perform better and drooling over "potential". Not every athlete is a football player.

Maybe the guy will be great, we'll see. All I'm saying is that drafting workout warriors in the top 10 is risky as hell.

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1 hour ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

Greg Cosell was on Ross Tucker podcast and said Shemar Stewart was a wonderful athlete and a very talented player...however he currently has no idea how to pass rush and his film tape is average. 

I would argue it's significantly below average.

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1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

All you have to do is look at his stat sheet. I'm sorry, someone with his measurables should have a lot more than 4.5 career sacks simply from being on the field. Players make plays. Workout warriors show out at the Combine and leave everyone scratching their heads why they didn't perform better and drooling over "potential". Not every athlete is a football player.

Maybe the guy will be great, we'll see. All I'm saying is that drafting workout warriors in the top 10 is risky as hell.

Al Davis special.

Not only is it perplexing that he only had 4.5 career sacks, he was an elite talent on teams stocked with elite talent. How much more of a stacked deck do you really need to perform well?

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1 hour ago, XClown1986 said:

For people that are saying Shemar Stewart is not an elite talent, I think you are confusing talent with production. Shemar is 100% an elite talent. The draft is when you look at a guy like this and predict what he can be in the NFL. He is already a fantastic player against the run, has a RIDICULOUS motor, and elite traits. 

There is a reason why Travon Walker went ahead of Aiden Hutchinson in the draft. Projection. Both could be very good players, but which player, if he puts it all together, will be a game changer?

Not only do I think he will go top 10, he might even go ahead of our pick.

P.S. He doesn't even turn 22 until November.

Elite play is just not there yet.  Elite frame, yes.  Elite metrics, yes.  Elite potential, yes.  And he honestly does have really strong tape to show.

And like I said, he's a great watch.  I actually quite like him.  For not getting a lot of production, he is a noticeable force.  But if you're living at the edge (and sometimes sliding inside/hands in the dirt), you need to be able to convert the chances you have into gains for the defense.  He has yet to actualize, but the ability is there.  

But if we're talking at 8 overall in the draft, I'm not taking that chance considering who else could be available. You need someone who's coming in and making the opposing side change the way they play you.  I don't see that (yet)...and I don't like that gamble, that high.  

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Elite play is just not there yet.  Elite frame, yes.  Elite metrics, yes.  Elite potential, yes.  And he honestly does have really strong tape to show.

And like I said, he's a great watch.  I actually quite like him.  For not getting a lot of production, he is a noticeable force.  But if you're living at the edge (and sometimes sliding inside/hands in the dirt), you need to be able to convert the chances you have into gains for the defense.  He has yet to actualize, but the ability is there.  

But if we're talking at 8 overall in the draft, I'm not taking that chance considering who else could be available. You need someone who's coming in and making the opposing side change the way they play you.  I don't see that (yet)...and I don't like that gamble, that high.  

Oh I didn't mean we should gamble on him. Just that someone will. Players like him scare me. Especially 1st round and even worse in the top 10

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On 3/12/2025 at 3:03 PM, LinvilleGorge said:

The terrifying thing about us drafting an athletic phenom that needs significant development is that it begs the question, how many of our draft picks ever actually develop? Seems like most of our guys are as good as they're going to get on the day we draft them. Hopefully this new staff can reverse that trend but it just seems like we've been drafting highly talented developmental prospects for years now and then completely fail to develop them.

 

I've had to adjust or ______ . Im one of those athletic suckers. My issue is now, most of these players are not making to 30 years old. If you look at the this draft and the last couple ones...... you can still blame coofus and the big one NIL. These draft pool are older players. Not the cream, but the mid-late round are around 24 years old. So if you draft one of those "RAS" dudes in the 3rd, it takes 2-2.5 years for him to "get" being a NFL player.... Well in another 1.5-2 he's going to need a contract or in 4 years he's out of the league. So 35% of his career is wasted, that's if he can play. 

I think drive and determination should be the focus. SM and the current world, I mean some players are making great money as podcasters, thats easier than getting hit by DLman and lifting weights at 5am. 

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On 3/12/2025 at 3:13 PM, XClown1986 said:

For people that are saying Shemar Stewart is not an elite talent, I think you are confusing talent with production. Shemar is 100% an elite talent. The draft is when you look at a guy like this and predict what he can be in the NFL. He is already a fantastic player against the run, has a RIDICULOUS motor, and elite traits. 

There is a reason why Travon Walker went ahead of Aiden Hutchinson in the draft. Projection. Both could be very good players, but which player, if he puts it all together, will be a game changer?

Not only do I think he will go top 10, he might even go ahead of our pick.

P.S. He doesn't even turn 22 until November.

 

On 3/12/2025 at 3:25 PM, TheSpecialJuan said:

Greg Cosell was on Ross Tucker podcast and said Shemar Stewart was a wonderful athlete and a very talented player...however he currently has no idea how to pass rush and his film tape is average. 

 

On 3/12/2025 at 3:27 PM, Navy_football said:

I don't know man. I watched them play Texas and Nick Scourton looked like the better player. He made a couple of plays, but he really didn't stand out as a pass rusher. 

 

On 3/12/2025 at 3:31 PM, LinvilleGorge said:

All you have to do is look at his stat sheet. I'm sorry, someone with his measurables should have a lot more than 4.5 career sacks simply from being on the field. Players make plays. Workout warriors show out at the Combine and leave everyone scratching their heads why they didn't perform better and drooling over "potential". Not every athlete is a football player.

Maybe the guy will be great, we'll see. All I'm saying is that drafting workout warriors in the top 10 is risky as hell.

 

 

This is what I heard from a trusted "evaluator". He said Shemars tape is filled up with him beating 1 vs 1.  Then he has huge problems getting to the QB. You know the "hoop" drill where the player runs around two hoops and picks up a towel *while remaining low... places the towel back down and runs off. He didn't showcase that and this is his problem, he has no "bend" or ability to turn corners while in a lower posture. Can it be taught, yes. It's an odd deal given his profile, he shouldn't struggle with this, just happens that's the issue. Take it or not. 

Everyone but Carter and hunter has a major flaw/needs to work. 

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