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1000%. I love it because it brings so much more authenticity to reviewing the player when you have two Panther legends get to talk ball about him. Especially when it lets Morgan take off the GM hat a bit and just talk ball with TD, whom he played with. No disrespect to the media talent they have there, but ball players talking with ball players ABOUT ball players will always get my attention. Hope they can bring Luke in too to complete the triumvirate. 

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1 minute ago, blueandblackattack said:

1000%. I love it because it brings so much more authenticity to reviewing the player when you have two Panther legends get to talk ball about him. Especially when it lets Morgan take off the GM hat a bit and just talk ball with TD, whom he played with. No disrespect to the media talent they have there, but ball players talking with ball players ABOUT ball players will always get my attention. Hope they can bring Luke in too to complete the triumvirate. 

really  triumvirate.

kevin hart ill fight you GIF

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My first thought:  Bet Morgan and Davis would love playing behind this guy.

I had no idea that they were going to play Wharton at DT (instead of DE).  With Brown III more of a Long arm (nearly 35 inch arms) NT (328 lbs), I wonder if this combination is going to play DT/NT for the Panthers. 

 He is only 280, but he has amazing twitch that freezes the OL and the power to bull rush or move around the OL.  At times he seems unblockable. 

This, to me, suggests the DT position is set.  It also suggests that we will add a DE to go with D. Brown and Robinson.  If things go as I think they will go, our DL is going to be pretty dang awesome.

I do not think I can over-estimate the value of having a NT that can collapse the pocket.  Wharton had 6.5 sacks from the DT position in KC. At 280 lbs, he split double teams.  he plays with intensity and swag.  I had no idea that he would be this good.  I love these analyses. Man, we were spoiled with LBs like TD and Morgan, Beason, Mills, Luke--love to have them back in their primes.

 

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3 hours ago, MHS831 said:

My first thought:  Bet Morgan and Davis would love playing behind this guy.

I had no idea that they were going to play Wharton at DT (instead of DE).  With Brown III more of a Long arm (nearly 35 inch arms) NT (328 lbs), I wonder if this combination is going to play DT/NT for the Panthers. 

 He is only 280, but he has amazing twitch that freezes the OL and the power to bull rush or move around the OL.  At times he seems unblockable. 

This, to me, suggests the DT position is set.  It also suggests that we will add a DE to go with D. Brown and Robinson.  If things go as I think they will go, our DL is going to be pretty dang awesome.

I do not think I can over-estimate the value of having a NT that can collapse the pocket.  Wharton had 6.5 sacks from the DT position in KC. At 280 lbs, he split double teams.  he plays with intensity and swag.  I had no idea that he would be this good.  I love these analyses. Man, we were spoiled with LBs like TD and Morgan, Beason, Mills, Luke--love to have them back in their primes.

 

I really liked how they pointed out that he wins his one-on-ones. He's going from playing next to Chris Jones to playing next to Derrick Brown, so he's still going to get singled.

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All we need is a strong edge player (and of course a healthy Derrick Brown) and our DLine is going to be really, really good.  Our LB's should have no excuses.

I am a little worried that we don't have a rock star LB.  We have a bunch of guys who would be great . . . with Kuechly, Beason or Morgan in with them.  Hopefully someone steps up.

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33 minutes ago, Icege said:

I really liked how they pointed out that he wins his one-on-ones. He's going from playing next to Chris Jones to playing next to Derrick Brown, so he's still going to get singled.

I used to coach OL in high school, so I am slightly familiar with what causes OL problems--on that level, they HATED the smaller, quick "gap shooters" --- I realize that the NFL is vastly different, but when I saw those jukes before contact, I watched it again to see how balanced the OL was--on his heels--that gives him no chance vs the bull rush and if he swims or rips, the OL has a 50% chance of guessing correctly.  I realize this is simplifying everything, but I used to watch my OL getting owned and it would impact my agility drills etc. during practice.  When your OL is doing agility drills to be able to block a NT, they are losing their size advantage and leverage if not done correctly.  When fatigue sets in, the OL is at a disadvantage.

IF they rotate, I expect Brown III to play early in downs and maybe Wharton on passing situations at NT.  The question is can he play DE as well?  I don't know. 

I went to watch other videos and he does hit brick walls at times, but his motor was running hotter than Jones most of the time.

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16 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I used to coach OL in high school, so I am slightly familiar with what causes OL problems--on that level, they HATED the smaller, quick "gap shooters" --- I realize that the NFL is vastly different, but when I saw those jukes before contact, I watched it again to see how balanced the OL was--on his heels--that gives him no chance vs the bull rush and if he swims or rips, the OL has a 50% chance of guessing correctly.  I realize this is simplifying everything, but I used to watch my OL getting owned and it would impact my agility drills etc. during practice.  When your OL is doing agility drills to be able to block a NT, they are losing their size advantage and leverage if not done correctly.  When fatigue sets in, the OL is at a disadvantage.

IF they rotate, I expect Brown III to play early in downs and maybe Wharton on passing situations at NT.  The question is can he play DE as well?  I don't know. 

I went to watch other videos and he does hit brick walls at times, but his motor was running hotter than Jones most of the time.

I'm thinking they leave Brown III on the field because he was vocal about leaving the Rams due to not getting opportunities to pass rush. Robinson/Wharton I think is the run/pass down rotation with DB/BB3 being the anchor guys. 

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21 minutes ago, BrianS said:

All we need is a strong edge player (and of course a healthy Derrick Brown) and our DLine is going to be really, really good.  Our LB's should have no excuses.

I am a little worried that we don't have a rock star LB.  We have a bunch of guys who would be great . . . with Kuechly, Beason or Morgan in with them.  Hopefully someone steps up.

Brian-do not be surprised if we don't draft a DE (5 tech) at some point and and edge.  Here is how we would look:

Derrick Brown.......................Turk Wharton/Brown III..................Robinson

Ray is the most notable backup--I think this draft is strong at DE and we need to dip into it---Daniel Jeremiah said there are 24 starters at DE in this draft--so if we grabbed one to backup Brown and compete with Robinson, I would be happy.  Ray sucked last year.

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