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The Evolution of the Panthers OL (2023 - 2025)


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I’m gonna go out on a limb to say this bc he doesn’t get enough recognition — Hunt is the best player on our team and one of the most impactful locker room guys in the league.

I think he has been a huge reason for how things have changed. Even if the grades you find online aren’t world beating, he is proving to be worth it from what I’ve gathered and seen. And watching how different Miami looked last season without him helps see this as well.

Really hope he can lead this offense into a well tuned machine for 2025. Paving roads for Chuba, giving Bryce time to hook up with McMillan.

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Hunt and Lewis were two big swings we hit big on. Credit where it's due. We have Icky on the left and Moton holding down the right and our interior depth is solid. Unfortunately Center looms large. If we are to rewind back to just a few years ago things were pretty damn dicey at that position. While they have improved we are basically hinging the development of the offense this season on Cade Mays because at this point it's only a matter of when not if Corbett misses some time.

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6 hours ago, frankw said:

Hunt and Lewis were two big swings we hit big on. Credit where it's due. We have Icky on the left and Moton holding down the right and our interior depth is solid. Unfortunately Center looms large. If we are to rewind back to just a few years ago things were pretty damn dicey at that position. While they have improved we are basically hinging the development of the offense this season on Cade Mays because at this point it's only a matter of when not if Corbett misses some time.

I think we will be forced to finally address it when Corbett gets injured again this season. Hate to predict that but it has been very constant.

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Hunt was graded by PFF as 67.7 in 2024. Panther fans have lost all perspective. Hunt only had a 72 run blocking which is supposed to be his strength and a 57.5 pass which is dog poo for what he is getting paid. That's a 10 point decrease from 2023 too.

Spending big on 2 OGs out of need was the first move. Where is the follow up moves? Moton is on a 1 year deal at 30 mil. Ickey just had his 5th year option picked up but also needs to show improvement to justify a big new LT contract. Then at center the hope is Mays will play to his better games vs his average 66.1 2024 grade. BC has done nearly nothing and is back on a 1 year deal after no one else wanted him as even that apparently. 

The oline being the team's strength currently says a lot about the state of the team.

 

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1 hour ago, Waldo said:

Hunt was graded by PFF as 67.7 in 2024. Panther fans have lost all perspective. Hunt only had a 72 run blocking which is supposed to be his strength and a 57.5 pass which is dog poo for what he is getting paid. That's a 10 point decrease from 2023 too.

Spending big on 2 OGs out of need was the first move. Where is the follow up moves? Moton is on a 1 year deal at 30 mil. Ickey just had his 5th year option picked up but also needs to show improvement to justify a big new LT contract. Then at center the hope is Mays will play to his better games vs his average 66.1 2024 grade. BC has done nearly nothing and is back on a 1 year deal after no one else wanted him as even that apparently. 

The oline being the team's strength currently says a lot about the state of the team.

 

Hunt is a little overrated by the fans because he is a bruiser and plays very physically like Andrew Norwell did. 

IMO, Lewis is the more consistent of the two OG's overall.

But, the addition of those two guys turned that unit around completely. That isn't debatable. Remains to be seen how that works out in the long term, given it runs counter to almost all roster building theory to have most of your OL money in the two OG's.

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25 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Hunt is a little overrated by the fans because he is a bruiser and plays very physically like Andrew Norwell did. 

IMO, Lewis is the more consistent of the two OG's overall.

But, the addition of those two guys turned that unit around completely. That isn't debatable. Remains to be seen how that works out in the long term, given it runs counter to almost all roster building theory to have most of your OL money in the two OG's.

I agree about Lewis. He is the one to keep moving forward when that decision has to be made.

It was a short term patch by buying the most expensive OGs. My thing is that they are not building around what they spent. I just can't see that unit as a long term strength, especially when one of the high cost OGs is already showing a noticable decline.

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19 hours ago, Bear Hands said:

I’m gonna go out on a limb to say this bc he doesn’t get enough recognition — Hunt is the best player on our team and one of the most impactful locker room guys in the league.

I think he has been a huge reason for how things have changed. Even if the grades you find online aren’t world beating, he is proving to be worth it from what I’ve gathered and seen. And watching how different Miami looked last season without him helps see this as well.

Really hope he can lead this offense into a well tuned machine for 2025. Paving roads for Chuba, giving Bryce time to hook up with McMillan.

If we were going to change the culture, we needed just that kind of guy. Good thing we got him. Stars are great, but cement builds empires.

 

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There are a lot of question marks surrounding TMo right now. There were whispers leading into the draft that the team was ready to move on due to a knee issue, but they came away with no real backup plan outside of BC. Maybe the knee isn't as serious as feared… or maybe it was just front office gamesmanship, like we saw with the Jalon Walker rumors. With Icky's second contract on the horizon, the team's probably hoping Moton is open to a team-friendly extension. His consistency over the years has been incredibly underappreciated.

Hunt's grades dipped last season--particularly in pass pro, where he ranked 54th among guards with 500+ pass-blocking snaps. That's not ideal, but when you step back, it's still starting-caliber play. In the run game, he was more effective--posting the 14th-highest run-blocking grade among guards with 300+ run-blocking snaps. DLew, meanwhile, was a warrior. He played through a shoulder injury all season and still ranked 17th in pass-blocking + 10th in run-blocking under those same filters. Context matters here too... in terms of 2024 cap hits, Hunt was the 17th-highest paid guard at $6.45M while DLew was 25th at $4.9M. DLew absolutely outplayed the first year of his deal. Looking ahead, Hunt will carry the #3 highest cap hit among guards in 2025 at $21.65M, while DLew will be #10 at $14.57M. If DLew maintains that level of play and Hunt bounces back in pass pro? Oooh wee mayne.

That said, decisions are coming. DLew can be cut in 2026 for $9M in savings, or in 2027 for $13M. Hunt is more locked in: his contract opens up flexibility starting in 2027 ($14.3M savings) and jumps to $18M in 2028. And then there's the biggest unresolved piece: center. Cade Mays looked solid when called upon, and Christensen didn't look out of place either. Corbett's durability is a fair concern... he hasn't been able to stay on the field the past two years.

If Mays locks down the center job, I think the front office moves quickly to secure RT next. Once the bookends are in place, the interior OL becomes the next long-term focus. Hopefully, they're already developing some of those answers internally.

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1 hour ago, Icege said:

There are a lot of question marks surrounding TMo right now. There were whispers leading into the draft that the team was ready to move on due to a knee issue, but they came away with no real backup plan outside of BC. Maybe the knee isn't as serious as feared… or maybe it was just front office gamesmanship, like we saw with the Jalon Walker rumors. With Icky's second contract on the horizon, the team's probably hoping Moton is open to a team-friendly extension. His consistency over the years has been incredibly underappreciated.

Hunt's grades dipped last season--particularly in pass pro, where he ranked 54th among guards with 500+ pass-blocking snaps. That's not ideal, but when you step back, it's still starting-caliber play. In the run game, he was more effective--posting the 14th-highest run-blocking grade among guards with 300+ run-blocking snaps. DLew, meanwhile, was a warrior. He played through a shoulder injury all season and still ranked 17th in pass-blocking + 10th in run-blocking under those same filters. Context matters here too... in terms of 2024 cap hits, Hunt was the 17th-highest paid guard at $6.45M while DLew was 25th at $4.9M. DLew absolutely outplayed the first year of his deal. Looking ahead, Hunt will carry the #3 highest cap hit among guards in 2025 at $21.65M, while DLew will be #10 at $14.57M. If DLew maintains that level of play and Hunt bounces back in pass pro? Oooh wee mayne.

That said, decisions are coming. DLew can be cut in 2026 for $9M in savings, or in 2027 for $13M. Hunt is more locked in: his contract opens up flexibility starting in 2027 ($14.3M savings) and jumps to $18M in 2028. And then there's the biggest unresolved piece: center. Cade Mays looked solid when called upon, and Christensen didn't look out of place either. Corbett's durability is a fair concern... he hasn't been able to stay on the field the past two years.

If Mays locks down the center job, I think the front office moves quickly to secure RT next. Once the bookends are in place, the interior OL becomes the next long-term focus. Hopefully, they're already developing some of those answers internally.

I think we have to eventually get serious about getting a real center. None of those guys mentioned are legit top 15-20 NFL centers. Mays is a BC-esque backup, where is value is maximum. Corbett is really an OG playing out of position and we know BC is a utility depth piece. We have a ton of roster needs over the next 2-3 offseasons/drafts but we should finally get a Day 1-2 center drafted, IMO.

OT's are as you say, we could be set there or we could be heading towards a reset. TBD.

I just hope we don't lose our focus on keeping the trenches strong. On BOTH sides of the ball, for that matter.

I am concerned that with our constant changing of coaches and GM/FO guys that will get fuged up.

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On 5/20/2025 at 12:04 PM, Bear Hands said:

I’m gonna go out on a limb to say this bc he doesn’t get enough recognition — Hunt is the best player on our team and one of the most impactful locker room guys in the league.

I think he has been a huge reason for how things have changed. Even if the grades you find online aren’t world beating, he is proving to be worth it from what I’ve gathered and seen. And watching how different Miami looked last season without him helps see this as well.

Really hope he can lead this offense into a well tuned machine for 2025. Paving roads for Chuba, giving Bryce time to hook up with McMillan.

Terron Armstead listed Robert Hunt as #1 on his list of bad ass linemen yesterday. I found it hilarious that the hosts didn’t even know what team he played for.

 

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