give some props to Andy Dalton

[Basbear]

On 7/20/2025 at 3:58 PM, frankw said:

This place is tame af compared to the majority of the rest of the internet.

But what you see now is a direct effect of all the losing. The Tepper's really have nearly killed this franchise. That cannot be understated.

 

Im of the opinion that if your team is constantly either 2 or 5 wins at seasons ends.....I 100% retire from smack/trash talking other fans...

I mean the best insult is "Your team almost lost to shitty Panthers!!!" LolZ!!! I mean..... I just stay silent. 

 

Side note I think you are waaaaaay too hard on Dalton in backup terms. He's lost some MPH, but he can still spin it for a few games. The league wide back group looks awful, glad him and BY are bros. He's a better Derek Anderson who was a great backup the first couple years here, he made a pro-bowl as a brown QB....that's almost HOF-worthily.....(jk)

Edited July 21, 2025 by Basbear

[frankw]

10 minutes ago, Basbear said:

 

Im of the opinion that if your team is constantly either 2 or 5 wins at seasons ends.....I 100% retire from smack/trash talking other fans...

I mean the best insult is "Your team almost lost to shitty Panthers!!!" LolZ!!! I mean..... I just stay silent. 

 

Side note I think you are waaaaaay too hard on Dalton in backup terms. He's lost some MPH, but he can still spin it for a few games. The league wide back group looks awful, glad him and BY are bros. He's a better Derek Anderson who was a great backup the first couple years here, he made a pro-bowl as a brown QB....that's almost HOF-worthily.....(jk)

Just so we're on the same page. Derek Anderson in his very last season in the league when he was washed beyond comprehension he was 35 years old. That was 2018. Andy Dalton will be 37 in October.

[Basbear]

4 minutes ago, frankw said:

Just so we're on the same page. Derek Anderson in his very last season in the league when he was washed beyond comprehension he was 35 years old. That was 2018. Andy Dalton will be 37 in October.

 

I know he faded hard, but the first couple games was the red rifle. Honestly he didn't lose the job, it was a car wreck that hurt his thumbs. 

Bro nearly all backups got major flaws, much more that Dalton. 

These QBs have found something to prolong careers, many are playing into late 30s. Arod is the oldest player in the league now, I think. Wilson is still getting jobs.

 

[frankw]

1 minute ago, Basbear said:

 

I know he faded hard, but the first couple games was the red rifle. Honestly he didn't lose the job, it was a car wreck that hurt his thumbs. 

Bro nearly all backups got major flaws, much more that Dalton. 

These QBs have found something to prolong careers, many are playing into late 30s. Arod is the oldest player in the league now, I think. Wilson is still getting jobs.

 

Ultimately I think this boils down to a difference in personal perception of the situation. And also simple rationalizing because it's still July.

I mean let's go back to Cam's rookie season. Anderson was 28. Clausen was still on the roster he was 24.

We've basically had Tommy Pickles and his Grandpa Lou Pickles at QB 1 and QB 2 and people are coming at me like I'm unreasonable. Which amuses me.

I hope we can at least agree a thumb sprain (lol) was just an excuse to get Andy back on the bench.

[Basbear]

9 minutes ago, frankw said:

Ultimately I think this boils down to a difference in personal perception of the situation. And also simple rationalizing because it's still July.

I mean let's go back to Cam's rookie season. Anderson was 28. Clausen was still on the roster he was 24.

We've basically had Tommy Pickles and his Grandpa Lou Pickles at QB 1 and QB 2 and people are coming at me like I'm unreasonable. Which amuses me.

I hope we can at least agree a thumb sprain (lol) was just an excuse to get Andy back on the bench.

You recall BY games at seasons start and 2023?? He was the worst QB in the league. Dalton came in guns brazzlin and showed BY you got to throw the ball. Dalton played great those first two. If you wait for college open, you will struggle. 

 

All Im doing is telling you the Backup group is hella bad. The best you can hope is for the 2-4 games your backup doesn't lose you games. Dalton did that. Plus he is in the of hall of very good with his career stats. 

He's still throwing on a NFL level, while those who cannot start podcasting with the hopes of landing guest  star CMCs mom.....

 

I thought for sure Lock would have been a Panthers, but Daltons friendship with BY overruled that. Im glad Dalton is the Panthers backup for 2 years at 8 million.

You can do A LOT worst than Dalton as the backup.

Yea we need the TC to start and drop the lol backup QB talk...

Last fact, I was ALLLLL for drafting sanders in the 4th round...........

[frankw]

29 minutes ago, Basbear said:

You recall BY games at seasons start and 2023?? He was the worst QB in the league. Dalton came in guns brazzlin and showed BY you got to throw the ball. Dalton played great those first two. If you wait for college open, you will struggle. 

 

All Im doing is telling you the Backup group is hella bad. The best you can hope is for the 2-4 games your backup doesn't lose you games. Dalton did that. Plus he is in the of hall of very good with his career stats. 

He's still throwing on a NFL level, while those who cannot start podcasting with the hopes of landing guest  star CMCs mom.....

 

I thought for sure Lock would have been a Panthers, but Daltons friendship with BY overruled that. Im glad Dalton is the Panthers backup for 2 years at 8 million.

You can do A LOT worst than Dalton as the backup.

Yea we need the TC to start and drop the lol backup QB talk...

Last fact, I was ALLLLL for drafting sanders in the 4th round...........

My issue really isn't about Dalton's phsyical ability at this point. Although it should be noted the fact we've had to bring him in for a hail mary attempt is comical. As far as teaching Bryce the basics of carrying himself as a QB that's fine. However that should be pretty well wrapped up by now in year 3. In the decision making department though...ehhhh. I'd rather not see much of Dalton rubbing off on Bryce Young all homerism aside.

There was some discussion about dropping a mid or late rounder on a QB but it didn’t come to fruition and maybe it was for the best. Some people viewed it as either an unnecessary use of resources or not helpful to Bryce's comfortability. There was validity to either viewpoint. But someone has to be right and someone has to be wrong. We'll just have to revisit this in the fall. Hopefully the offense is developing and it's not something that will be a relevant subject. But as we know with our Panthers it's usually not that cut and dry. But I'm going to try and have faith in Canales and company until they give me reason not to.

[hepcat]

6 hours ago, frankw said:

Just to be completely clear. From a general average team standpoint I would concur in most circumstances. The issue is that isn’t us. If we were a vaguely competitive team that at least made the playoffs from time to time it would be one thing. We're just hoping to not be a doormat right now. So when we make no attempt to even kick the tires with anyone else and bring back Dalton on a sweetheart deal whom the last image of that we have in our heads is he and the offense getting absolutely torn to pieces by the Commanders and the very lowly Bears. Any positivity I can work up is going to be really miniscule at best. At the end of the day the best cure for being bad is the passage of time. It's not fresh in anyone's mind anymore. It's the offseason. But no matter how offended some people might be by these inconvenient truths now in just a few short months the daggers will be back out sooner or later. Anyone who's read a gameday thread here knows this.

What else should they do? Sign a different, younger journeyman free agent QB? Draft another QB? Dalton already knows the offense made this team look competitive at times last year, lets not forget that. He could step in and win a game or two if called upon. And this is Bryce's make or break year. If Bryce sh*ts the bed this year he isn't getting his 5th year option picked up and they'll probably be in the market for another QB in the first round next offseason. So what difference does it make? You think signing someone like Mitch Trubisky is going to make a big difference over Andy Dalton? 

[Icege]

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Fans that are hating on Andy are mainly doing it because they hate Bryce and want another QB on the roster that they believe can take the starting job.

That's really all there is to it at this point.

*taps the sign*

[Waldo]

He is a backup thst should never play. Good dude, he was a good player but he shouldn't still be on thr team because he adds so little. He is completely washed and this is just more fluff and self back patting.

[frankw]

1 hour ago, Icege said:

*taps the sign*

Pretty much anything and everything remotely critical said about the Panthers in some way or another leads back to Bryce hate in your mind.

[frankw]

9 hours ago, hepcat said:

What else should they do? Sign a different, younger journeyman free agent QB? Draft another QB? Dalton already knows the offense made this team look competitive at times last year, lets not forget that. He could step in and win a game or two if called upon. And this is Bryce's make or break year. If Bryce sh*ts the bed this year he isn't getting his 5th year option picked up and they'll probably be in the market for another QB in the first round next offseason. So what difference does it make? You think signing someone like Mitch Trubisky is going to make a big difference over Andy Dalton? 

We saw the true Andy Dalton against the Commanders and the Bears. Let's also not forget that. The issue with any of those worst case scenarios you mention is that if any of that happens any chance at our young roster developing in a critical year goes out the window because they are not going to develop with Andy and they certainly aren't going to develop with whichever UDFA QB we have on the roster at QB3. The Panthers took a gamble. The bed has already been made. All we can do is hope it works out.

Edited July 22, 2025 by frankw

[CRA]

3 hours ago, Waldo said:

He is a backup thst should never play. Good dude, he was a good player but he shouldn't still be on thr team because he adds so little. He is completely washed and this is just more fluff and self back patting.

Every team has different needs of the backup QB.   On some teams a young hopeful makes sense and on others an old worn out dude makes sense. 

We are a little more in the in-between IMO where you probably would prefer a Fields, Pickett, Howell type IMO.   So a young disappoint that you there is still some hail mary hope in.....given BY essentially was benched both seasons for performance (I know that's not the official line going into Seattle but I think most would agree he got a break and should of been benched later that year). 

I know we want Bryce to be the week 17 guy all season this upcoming year.  But it's still in the reasonable thought process that the other dude could show back up. 

[Panthers Rhule]

5 hours ago, Waldo said:

He is a backup thst should never play. Good dude, he was a good player but he shouldn't still be on thr team because he adds so little. He is completely washed and this is just more fluff and self back patting.

who should replace him then? Got any great names for us?

[Paa Langfart]

On 7/19/2025 at 5:57 PM, frankw said:

This echo chamber poo is officially out of pocket.

Wait till camp starts.