Panthers playbook Cox and Rhea review of the game

[raleigh-panther]

Worth a watch, listen,  if you have the time 

 

highlights  

1. Shuffle on offline do to Lewis’ shoulder strain issue. Had this  been a regular game. Either Mayes or Brady C would’ve started

2 Izik called plays, not canales

3. Young looked great  had it not been for 2 drops, he would’ve been 6 of 6   

4. Tet’s drops not a concern.  Another podcast talked about concerns by some about the   lack of separation from Tet…stated. It a concern given Tet’s catch radius 

5. Coker makes the team  need a pass caught, Coker is the guy 

6. Defense first team showed pressure on qb, praise for the rookies and that they will continue to grow together   Defense was talked about around 2/3s of the way through video if you want to scroll through it   Only mention of Sanders was that he played well.

7. Calm down. It is preseason. It is one month before a game is played   Both teams didn’t have full compliments of starters on the field

lot more was said …in greater detail. ..if u listen  

[CRA]

zero YAC from starters.  Still waiting for evidence we can be something other than a low ceiling offense (which is what the Dave O was).  

People tripping out over that TMac catch.  It’s was a great catch.  But essentially it is classic Panthers play under Bryce.  A go route opportunity.  Turned out to be fade to the sideline.  Threat of nothing after the catch.  Incomplete or catch given where the ball was placed.   

 

 

 

 

[MHS831]

Hats off to Morgan.  Brilliant. Look at what he has done in just 2 years after rounds 1 and 2  of the draft and free agency--All third rounders or lower and UDFAs....

DEFENSE

Wallace (3rd round)--Starting ILB

Princely Umanmielen (3rd round) rotational Edge, future starter

Ransom (4th round)--Will be a starting S unless UDFA Richardson is the starting S--still, some defenses have calls that require 3 safeties.

Richardson (UDFA)--has a shot at starting FS

Smith-Wade (5th round) Currently starting nickel

Thornton (UDFA)--tremendous start--looks to be our third overall CB

Cam Jackson (5th round) should be a factor at NT is a year or two.

OFFENSE
Coker (UDFA)--will be a stud WR in this league for a long time

J. Horn (6th round)--a burner who will help this team at WR and on STs.  To recognize his talent and ability playing in the shadow of Hunter, Morgan gets an A+.

Etienne (4th round)--another sleeper with dual threat capabilities, Etienne is an ideal third down RB.  Better hands than Hubbard.

J. Sanders (4th round) dynamic pass-catching TE who is starting now and will rotate with Tremble and play in 2-TE sets.  

M. Evans, (5th round)--a number three TE who is very balanced.  Not flashy, but versatile. 

 

Put this in perspective---The 12 players listed above are very likely to make the roster.  I see most of them becoming starters in a year or two....Understand that 12 players in 2 years who are projected starters or key rotational players is incredible succcess.  23% of the roster will be occupied by players drafted in the third round through UDFA over the past 2 seasons.

ODDS AGAINST BECOMING A STARTER IN THE NFL BY DRAFT ROUND

3rd Round: About 16% of players drafted in the third round become solid starters.  This is to suggest that a third-rounder becomes a starter about once every 6 years.  Wallace last year, Princely this year is very SOLID.

4th Round: The success rate drops to around 8% for fourth-round picks.  That percentage suggests that one 4th rounder in 12 years of drafting fourth rounders is going to start.  Morgan drafted J. Sanders TE, Ransom S, and Etienne RB in the fourth round.  I see 2 starters and a rotational, third down RB.  Very SOLID.

5th Round: Only about 4-5% of players drafted in the fifth round become solid starters. A fifth rounder becomes a starter once every 20 years.  CB Smith-Wade is already starting at Nickel, and M. Evans (TE) will be a third TE.  The Panthers think Cam Jackson will emerge into a key role by next season. STRONG.

6th Rounds: The success rates in these rounds are even lower, with only about 2% of sixth-rounders. At 2%, a sixth round pick becomes a starter every 50 drafts on average.  Jimmy Horn Jr. will make the roster and has a good chance of taking on a bigger role in a year or two.

UDFAs make NFL rosters at a rate of 20% (because there is a bigger pool of talent)\, while only 12% ever become starters.  To me, this area of signing players was often overlooked in the past, but Morgan seems to have found 3 UDFAs with starting capability in just 2 drafts.

In my view, Scourton and TMac were great picks.  Legette and Brooks are not as promising, but time will tell. 

Rosters are built from the bottom up.  This will become evident next year, if not sooner.  Hats off to Morgan--I am not sure we appreciate what he has done.

 

Edited August 9 by MHS831

[frankw]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

zero YAC from starters.  Still waiting for evidence we can be something other than a low ceiling offense (which is what the Dave O was).  

People tripping out over that TMac catch.  It’s was a great catch.  But essentially it is classic Panthers play under Bryce.  A go route opportunity.  Turned out to be fade to the sideline.  Threat of nothing after the catch.  Incomplete or catch given where the ball was placed.   

 

 

 

 

At the end of the day it was one drive.

But word is Canales wants the starters to play 3 series in the next game.

[PantherChris]

15 minutes ago, frankw said:

At the end of the day it was one drive.

But word is Canales wants the starters to play 3 series in the next game.

This ^^^^ nothing to wig over or prentend it was perfect....

Did what they were supposed too, as far as YAC goes without Renfrow playing we don't really have any true "creators" go for YAC without running designed YAC plays (which we didn't) 

[MHS831]

he is not there yet--but I am liking what I am seeing in Jimmy Horn.  AT, XL, TMac, Coker, Renfrow, Horn--man, that could be a sick room if they can get it together.  

 

[woahfraze]

42 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Hats off to Morgan.  Brilliant. Look at what he has done in just 2 years after rounds 1 and 2  of the draft and free agency--All third rounders or lower and UDFAs....

 

 

I like what Morgan has done, but let’s not ignore the full context. Having your roster contain this percentage of contributors from the past 2 drafts also speaks to how talent poor we are overall. If our roster were already better, you wouldn’t see this many young players make the roster or if they did, be relied on to contribute in this way. 

[Swaggasaurus]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

zero YAC from starters.  Still waiting for evidence we can be something other than a low ceiling offense (which is what the Dave O was).  

People tripping out over that TMac catch.  It’s was a great catch.  But essentially it is classic Panthers play under Bryce.  A go route opportunity.  Turned out to be fade to the sideline.  Threat of nothing after the catch.  Incomplete or catch given where the ball was placed.   

 

 

 

 

That’s our identity on offense. At least we found one, only took about a decade. This offense is going to be heavy dose of run game and Bryce trying to throw into a bucket for 1 on 1s. Sprinkle in some quick slants and Bryce improv and that’s us.

[CRA]

19 minutes ago, PantherChris said:

This ^^^^ nothing to wig over or prentend it was perfect....

Did what they were supposed too, as far as YAC goes without Renfrow playing we don't really have any true "creators" go for YAC without running designed YAC plays (which we didn't) 

You can still throw a legit go route vs 2nd or 3rd stringers.   TMac should be able to go do that and should be testing that stuff out IMO.  

Im just saying in test it out world type game which….they didn’t really test much out.  Didn’t learn much. 

 

[L-TownCat]

39 minutes ago, woahfraze said:

I like what Morgan has done, but let’s not ignore the full context. Having your roster contain this percentage of contributors from the past 2 drafts also speaks to how talent poor we are overall. If our roster were already better, you wouldn’t see this many young players make the roster or if they did, be relied on to contribute in this way. 

Thats a good counter point but to counter the counter I would say in previous years the staff couldn’t find a rookie that could even compete with the trash roster we had.  

Your point is still very much a valid one tho.

[CRA]

1 hour ago, Swaggasaurus said:

That’s our identity on offense. At least we found one, only took about a decade. This offense is going to be heavy dose of run game and Bryce trying to throw into a bucket for 1 on 1s. Sprinkle in some quick slants and Bryce improv and that’s us.

Which is my issue.  It’s not much of an identity paired with a league bottom defense.  

[raleigh-panther]

3 hours ago, raleigh-panther said:

Worth a watch, listen,  if you have the time 

 

highlights  

1. Shuffle on offline do to Lewis’ shoulder strain issue. Had this  been a regular game. Either Mayes or Brady C would’ve started

2 Izik called plays, not canales

3. Young looked great  had it not been for 2 drops, he would’ve been 6 of 6   

4. Tet’s drops not a concern.  Another podcast talked about concerns by some about the   lack of separation from Tet…stated. It a concern given Tet’s catch radius 

5. Coker makes the team  need a pass caught, Coker is the guy 

6. Defense first team showed pressure on qb, praise for the rookies and that they will continue to grow together   Defense was talked about around 2/3s of the way through video if you want to scroll through it   Only mention of Sanders was that he played well.

7. Calm down. It is preseason. It is one month before a game is played   Both teams didn’t have full compliments of starters on the field

lot more was said …in greater detail. ..if u listen  

It will be interesting to see what Young does, or doesn’t do, this year and the option year decision  cheaper to do it this year than year 4 

lot of the podcasters were high on his performance, limited though it was

im keeping an open mind though I just don’t feel he was worth what was paid for him and that’s not his fault and over and done 

he is never going to be a Jayden Daniels due to his physical limitations but maybe he can be a very good game manager…who knows.  Surprises do happen in life, some good, some not so good.

[CRA]

1 hour ago, frankw said:

At the end of the day it was one drive.

But word is Canales wants the starters to play 3 series in the next game.

They shouldn’t be capped like that.  3 series could be just 1 quarter.  

that’s still too light for me given why we are in Carolina. That’s still Dave being too light in the preseason heading in IMO.  Much better teams than us work there guys more 

and I think if you look at our starters last night…..you would have to like overall what the Browns 2s and 3d did slightly more against our starters than what our starters did to them 

[PantherChris]

2 hours ago, CRA said:

You can still throw a legit go route vs 2nd or 3rd stringers.   TMac should be able to go do that and should be testing that stuff out IMO.  

Im just saying in test it out world type game which….they didn’t really test much out.  Didn’t learn much. 

 

The Browns didnt rest all of their starters on defense let that fallacy drop... much the same way we did they just rested their irreplaceable defenders, it was 7 starters and 4 second stringers, that our ones faced on both drives not 2nd and 3rd stringers. 

Play action middle depth routes seemed to be the focus last night, when they were on the field. Apart from on bad pass rep (were we don't know the assignments but Jake and Smitty both seem to believe the scrub Carter blew his assignment) and a slightly under thrown dump off route Bryce had to take on his third read, they moved the ball at will vs them and scored a TD.