Moton extension. 2 more years, $44M

[PNW_PantherMan]

3 minutes ago, ECHornet said:

Well wallow in your misery together, I guess. I think Dan has made some nice moves since taking over and we seem headed in the right direction. Rebuilt OL/WR rooms and now DL seems on the uptick.
 

I’ll just let y’all go on pretending the extension $ would magically net us a Penei Sewell-caliber RT this offseason. 

I don't really think that's the trade though.  That money can be spent on anything.  We have to decide to pay Icky.  We could have let Moton walk next summer and draft his replacement.  Icky could slide over and play right side maybe.  There was flexibility.  Now we have a gajillion dollars in our offensive line, on a roster that's depleted basically everywhere else.  And we're depending on a guy past 30 to stay healthy for 2 years so it's worth it?  It just doesn't seem like a good move from a risk management perspective.

Edited 3 hours ago by PNW_PantherMan

[carpanfan96]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

While basically not practicing. These things usually continue progressing as long as the guy keeps playing. Do you really think grappling with other jumbo super athletes for 60 minutes once a week is improving chronic knee issues? Let's just be realistic here.

He will get some improvement with his knees once he stops playing and sheds 75 pounds. As long as he keeps playing and carrying 300+ pounds they're gonna keep getting worse. That's just the reality of life for a biological creature.

Nah man, they are shot for life. I'm down almost 100 from my weight in school and my knees suck so bad. 

[carpanfan96]

3 minutes ago, ECHornet said:

Well wallow in your misery together, I guess. I think Dan has made some nice moves since taking over and we seem headed in the right direction. Rebuilt OL/WR rooms and now DL seems on the uptick.
 

I’ll just let y’all go on pretending the extension $ would magically net us a Penei Sewell-caliber RT this offseason. 

He's a top 5/6 RT in the league. Base it on stats, advanced metrics..etc 

He's top 5 for most I would think.

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, carpanfan96 said:

Nah man, they are shot for life. I'm down almost 100 from my weight in school and my knees suck so bad. 

It can go that way too. Mine aren't so great either. Both of my MCLs are gone and both should probably be scoped to clean up some floating cartilage issues. I was told by a sports medicine doctor a decade ago that I'll probably have to have at least one knee replacement by the time I'm 50. I'm 43 now but honestly they're holding up better than I expected. The first hour or so of the day sucks but once I get limbered up I'm alright. Either that or I'm just used to it. LOL 

[CarolinaLivin]

This seems like the type of thread that receipts will be kept lol

 

but this is a business and the business move would’ve been to wait and see what this season looks like for him. Sucks for him, but that process is likely the best for the franchise IMO. Guess we’ll just have to see how it plays out. 
 

someone put the fitterer laser eyes on dan real quick so we can officially take the next step in the tepper panthers staff cycle (half joking)

[carpanfan96]

6 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It can go that way too. Mine aren't so great either. Both of my MCLs are gone and both should probably be scoped to clean up some floating cartilage issues. I was told by a sports medicine doctor a decade ago that I'll probably have to have at least one knee replacement by the time I'm 50. I'm 43 now but honestly they're holding up better than I expected. The first hour or so of the day sucks but once I get limbered up I'm alright. Either that or I'm just used to it. LOL 

Both mine are shot, they barely move the first couple hours of the day and my right knee will still pop and give out at least twice a day. My right knee got twisted and partially dislocated... so oh well, ish happens 

Edited 3 hours ago by carpanfan96

[ECHornet]

6 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

I don't really think that's the trade though.  That money can be spent on anything.  We have to decide to pay Icky.  We could have let Moton walk next summer and draft his replacement.  Icky could slide over and play right side maybe.  There was flexibility.  Now we have a gajillion dollars in our offensive line, on a roster that's depleted basically everywhere else.  And we're depending on a guy past 30 to stay healthy for 2 years so it's worth it?  It just doesn't seem like a good move from a risk management perspective.

Do you consider Icky a better OT than Moton? I don’t think anyone does. 
 

Our roster is not depleted everywhere but OL. Our WR room has nice young pieces. Our RB room is sufficient for years. Our interior DL is in nice shape and now we have promising young EDGE players. We’re certainly operating like QB is set as well. 
 

The only thing I’ll concede is the timing doesn’t make great sense unless there are some moves in the pipeline that require current cap space. 

[ECHornet]

3 minutes ago, CarolinaLivin said:

This seems like the type of thread that receipts will be kept lol

 

but this is a business and the business move would’ve been to wait and see what this season looks like for him. Sucks for him, but that process is likely the best for the franchise IMO. Guess we’ll just have to see how it plays out. 
 

someone put the fitterer laser eyes on dan real quick so we can officially take the next step in the tepper panthers staff cycle (half joking)

I agree with this on timing unless we make a move soon. 

[PNW_PantherMan]

7 minutes ago, ECHornet said:

Do you consider Icky a better OT than Moton? I don’t think anyone does. 

Do I think that going forward Icky will be a better RT than Moton?  I would honestly take that chance.  Its possible Moton is an all star until he's 37, but I wouldn't bet on it.

[Loyalty4Life]

Damn, there are a lotta pearl clutchers in here.  Virtually every player in the NFL that's been in the league more than a minute deals with chronic conditions they manage.  This is a fuging contact sport.  

 

[CarolinaLivin]

7 minutes ago, ECHornet said:

I agree with this on timing unless we make a move soon. 

I don’t want a splash move. 
 

we are supposed to be a developmentally minded staff with a focus on a slow rebuild, supposedly doing it the right way.

[ECHornet]

Just now, PNW_PantherMan said:

Do I think that going forward Icky will be a better RT than Moton?  I would honestly take that chance.  Its possible Moton is an all star until he's 37, but I wouldn't bet on it.

That’s a reasonable argument. I won’t put that level of play out of reach for Icky yet, but he’s certainly far from being considered a top 10 LT at this point in his career. Hopefully he’ll get there. 
 

Moton is in the top 5-10 range for RTs. We’ll most likely be paying him like he’s top 10-15 once that contract hits next year. Not bad imo. 

[Ornias]

56 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Supposedly we have like $19 mil in cap already available. If we are having to "clear" cap space for a move......this does not sound good. This sounds like the prelude to a panic move.

We are going to doing something stupid like trading next years 1st for Hendrickson and then drop 150 million on him. 

[carpanfan96]

3 minutes ago, ECHornet said:

That’s a reasonable argument. I won’t put that level of play out of reach for Icky yet, but he’s certainly far from being considered a top 10 LT at this point in his career. Hopefully he’ll get there. 
 

Moton is in the top 5-10 range for RTs. We’ll most likely be paying him like he’s top 10-15 once that contract hits next year. Not bad imo. 

He's 6th in APY and first in GPY.