Josina Anderson: Panthers NOT trading Adam Thielen

[fanpanther]

28 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

They also have a roster stacked with tremendously more talent than ours.

Stroud makes alot of there players better.  Look at there wr stats before and after stroud.  That draft pic alone changed their entire team crazy to look at the before and after stroud texans. 

[Icege]

2 minutes ago, fanpanther said:

Stroud makes alot of there players better.  Look at there wr stats before and after stroud.  That draft pic alone changed their entire team crazy to look at the before and after stroud texans. 

2022 HOU WRs: Nico Collins, Brandin Cooks, Phillip Dorsett, Chris Conley, Johnny Johnson, Tyron Johnson, Tyler Johnson, Chris Moore, Amari Rodgers, Jalen Camp

2023 HOU WRs: Nico Collins, Tank Dell, Xavier Hutchinson, Robert Woods, Johnny Johnson, John Metchie, Steven Sims

 

Drafting Stroud was huge but rebooting their WR room and solidifying the OL also made Stroud's life better for the Texans as well.

[Navy_football]

2 hours ago, frankw said:

For whatever one may feel about this situation it is interesting viewing other teams around the league like the Texans who already have two playoff wins the last two years operating much differently. The oldest WR on their roster is 29 and they just traded away a 24 year old WR for a player and a pick. We don't have to like it but from a neutral perspective it is worth pondering if the Panthers are continuing to move like a losing franchise.

Yeah, but we haven't had a Nico or Tank level player here since Smitty. Coker and XL have potential, but they're projects. Hopefully TMac is closer to a good NFL receiver out the gate.

[TheSpecialJuan]

"If the Panthers trade Adam Thielen, their top 3 WRs will be a rookie and two second-year guys. All talented, but that's a lot to put on them. Not to mention CAR is trying to build on Bryce Young's strong finish in '24. Dan Morgan shouldn't just hand Thielen back to Minn."

Joe Person

[Navy_football]

1 hour ago, fanpanther said:

Stroud makes alot of there players better.  Look at there wr stats before and after stroud.  That draft pic alone changed their entire team crazy to look at the before and after stroud texans. 

So where would Tank and Nico be on this team's depth chart? At least 1 and 3 with TMac. 1 and 2 if TMac needs a little time to adjust.

[WhoKnows]

10 hours ago, Gipetto said:

This is not madden. You dont just trade away your most reliable pass catcher. Young qbs need vets that will always be where they're supposed to be

Lol. This kills me.

If Thielen is our most reliable WR, that’s a problem. We’ve spent two 1sts and found a gem of an UDFA in our last two drafts above and beyond the trading DJ Moore and multiple 1sts and 2nds for Young.

Thielen isn’t going to be part of any future we have and if we can’t survive losing him for a 4th, that says more about us needing a new QB and another 2 WRs. After our past 3 drafts, that’s better not be the case.

Either we’ve got the young WRs and QB or we don’t. Keeping Thielen at age 35 shouldn’t be a priority unless you are saying Legette, TMac and Young can’t produce without him.

[WhoKnows]

2 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

They also have a roster stacked with tremendously more talent than ours.

In 2023 their roster wasn’t stacked. They nailed the poo out of the 2023 draft and since they knew Davis Mills wasn’t the guy, they tanked properly to get pick 2. They also took Cleveland’s ridiculous offer for Watson unlike us with Burns.

Houston received enough draft capital to jump up to 3 while picking up the right guys in Anderson and Stroud.

The Texans were not stacked or better than us in 2023. They had 11 total wins from 2020 to 2022. They didn’t have a terrible front office so they made sure they got their QB of the future while tanking well and getting more draft picks. They are a textbook study of what we should have done in 2022/2023 offseason even though people in here still think tanking is a bad word and our culture would be bad if we were the Texans. We literally had the chance to be the Texans right now and fuged it up.

[CRA]

11 hours ago, Gipetto said:

This is not madden. You dont just trade away your most reliable pass catcher. Young qbs need vets that will always be where they're supposed to be

Past 5 seasons, IMO CJ Stroud and Joe Burrow are the 2 best young QBs that have emerged in the league in that window. 

They also didn’t need vets to be their primary pass catchers.  They helped fellow youngsters be great at WR.  

almost all the other young QBs have been paired up with vets in their top options….and haven’t been as promising. 

so it isn’t Madden.  But the league hasn’t played out as you suggest it does.   Good QBs make others around them better. 

 

[Icege]

28 minutes ago, WhoKnows said:

In 2023 their roster wasn’t stacked. They nailed the poo out of the 2023 draft and since they knew Davis Mills wasn’t the guy, they tanked properly to get pick 2. They also took Cleveland’s ridiculous offer for Watson unlike us with Burns.

Houston received enough draft capital to jump up to 3 while picking up the right guys in Anderson and Stroud.

The Texans were not stacked or better than us in 2023. They had 11 total wins from 2020 to 2022. They didn’t have a terrible front office so they made sure they got their QB of the future while tanking well and getting more draft picks. They are a textbook study of what we should have done in 2022/2023 offseason even though people in here still think tanking is a bad word and our culture would be bad if we were the Texans. We literally had the chance to be the Texans right now and fuged it up.

WR: Nico, Woods, Tank (R)
TE: Schultz
OL: Tunsil/Howard/Deiter/Mason/Fant

vs.

WR: Chark, Thielen, Mingo (R)
TE: Hurst
OL: Icky/Zavala (R)/Bozeman/Jensen (R)/Moton

 

Panthers' had the better OL before losing BC week 1 and AC week 4 which is kind of ironic considering how in the following year DB went down in W1 and Shaq in W4 resulting in the defense going all to Hell.

CJ has done amazing in Houston, but he also wasn't asked to carry Zavala, Jensen, Mingo, Hurst, and Chark as a rookie. Him and Bryce both got their vets (Woods/Thielen), but their WR1s (Nico vs. Chark) and rookie WRs (Tank vs. Mingo) couldn't have been further apart.

Edited 2 hours ago by Icege

[CRA]

16 minutes ago, Icege said:

WR: Nico, Woods, Tank (R)
TE: Schultz
OL: Tunsil/Howard/Deiter/Mason/Fant

vs.

WR: Chark, Thielen, Mingo (R)
TE: Hurst
OL: Icky/Zavala (R)/Bozeman/Jensen (R)/Moton

 

Panthers' had the better OL before losing BC week 1 and AC week 4 which is kind of ironic considering how in the following year DB went down in W1 and Shaq in W4 resulting in the defense going all to Hell.

CJ has done amazing in Houston, but he also wasn't asked to carry Zavala, Jensen, Mingo, Hurst, and Chark as a rookie. Him and Bryce both got their vets (Woods/Thielen), but their WR1s (Nico vs. Chark) and rookie WRs (Tank vs. Mingo) couldn't have been further apart.

That roster was billed as a super smart and strong unit for a young QB….until he sucked though.  

it didn’t have superstars but it had proven vets that checked well all the safe boxes and it was universally agreed the Panthers were putting him into position to succeed.

BY just doesn’t fit a traditional O because he isn’t built like a traditional QB.  And he still doesn’t.  

CJ Stroud would have had more success here than Bryce with that cast.   CJ just has the tools that fit the NFL more easily.  Young can find success but I have always argued it would take a Bryce centric plan (which we have never attempted IMO) 

[ForJimmy]

18 minutes ago, CRA said:

That roster was billed as a super smart and strong unit for a young QB….until he sucked though.  

it didn’t have superstars but it had proven vets that checked well all the safe boxes and it was universally agreed the Panthers were putting him into position to succeed.

BY just doesn’t fit a traditional O because he isn’t built like a traditional QB.  And he still doesn’t.   CJ Stroud would have had more success here than Bryce with that cast.  

Doesn’t matter how it was billed. Bryce was billed as the most NFL and that turned out to be false too. Chark can’t find a team, Mingo did nothing with the Cowboys, Hurst is pretty much retired, and our OGs allowed instant pressure. So you have a rookie QB with multiple voices in his head trying to run a NFL offense with no protection and AT as the only weapon. Would Stroud have played better? Probably because Stroud is the better QB, but he still would have struggled. Stroud came down a little this past year as his OL had some injuries and his weapons got hurt. You can look at Stroud vs the Ravens to see how he operates with instant pressure. No QB is thriving in that environment and I’m a pretty big Stroud Stan. 

[ForJimmy]

3 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

They also have a roster stacked with tremendously more talent than ours.

Their GM has done a good job building that roster no doubt. I’m a little confused to this offseason’s approach of letting the OL get broken up with such a young promising QB on a rookie deal. 

[ProcessBlue2]

1 hour ago, WhoKnows said:

Lol. This kills me.

If Thielen is our most reliable WR, that’s a problem. We’ve spent two 1sts and found a gem of an UDFA in our last two drafts above and beyond the trading DJ Moore and multiple 1sts and 2nds for Young.

Thielen isn’t going to be part of any future we have and if we can’t survive losing him for a 4th, that says more about us needing a new QB and another 2 WRs. After our past 3 drafts, that’s better not be the case.

Either we’ve got the young WRs and QB or we don’t. Keeping Thielen at age 35 shouldn’t be a priority unless you are saying Legette, TMac and Young can’t produce without him.

Bingo

[ProcessBlue2]

1 minute ago, ProcessBlue2 said:

Bingo

Fact is he’s 35. Is in his final year. Get something now while you can. Chances are, he’s retiring or going back to Minnesota on a 1 year deal at the end of the season anyways. 

Edited 2 hours ago by ProcessBlue2