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Week 1 @JAX Grades

Icege

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PleaseCutStewart Grand Master

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7 minutes ago, Icege said:

Can't be easy on protection either consistently getting the ball snapped at the last second. Whether that's a Canales issue or a Bryce one, it needs to get figured out.

That is what happens when you start Nijman at LT for reasons I don't know...

Edit: Also curious if Bryce was dropping back in the pocket too far like he often did his rookie year. Didn't pay enough attention and started tuning in to other games once I realized the team didn't show up

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kungfoodude Grand Master

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44 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

You would think being able to deliver a decent snap would be pretty key to a center's grade.

Like I said, sometimes PFF gets too cute and leans into their system too hard. Maybe they need to tweak their system to weight things differently. I mean, if a center is out there dominating as a blocker but is sailing the ball over the QBs head multiple times, did he actually have a good game? PFF's system would probably say yes whole everyone watching the game would be screaming fug no. Same thing with Bryce. If you had multiple near misses and some drops that hurt your numbers PFF's system will take care of you. But if it's taking care of you there it should be killing you for missing on a walk in TD, making a terrible decision to force a throw on 3rd down when you could've easily jogged for a 1st down, throwing the ball through the back of the endzone on 4th down with a wide open crossing TE available, etc. I mean, when you have half a dozen disastrous plays it needs to reflect in a disastrous grade. Some "checks the box" plays don't make up for that.

The only way I really see PFF as truly useful is comparing players at the same position over a large sample size, like a season. I feel like the larger the sample size the better chance all those things start to even out but at the end of the day, a PFF grade is just that - a PFF grade. It's not like it's some definitive thing. It's a cumulative score based on a formula based on the opinions of the people evaluating the plays. That's it, that's all. But they do need to tweak some things. Instead of watching a game and being like "wow, I thought that guy played like poo but turns out 'muh system' says he was decent" the reaction should be "I know that guy played like poo so that tells me 'muh system' needs some tweaking".

Agreed. It's a large sample size system because it will even out the bunk grades, like these.

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46 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The only way I really see PFF as truly useful is comparing players at the same position over a large sample size, like a season. I feel like the larger the sample size the better chance all those things start to even out but at the end of the day

The unfortunate thing is statistics are always about large enough sample sizes.  But football is about small sample sizes.  The entire game can be decided on one bonehead play.  And that's rated the same as every other play basically.  That ends up swinging 1 of only 17 games.  In baseball, for example, you have 162 games for things to even out.  Every day players literally get 600 at bats a year.  There's no sample sizes like that in football anywhere.

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1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

 

Listen, I am as skeptical of PFF's grades as anyone but I need someone to tell me how this is a "good" game by Bryce. Who graded that? Elon Musk in a k-hole???

I think PFF basically takes the baseball approach and applies "errors". So the dropped passes, XL being dumb, Corbett calling back a great catch. I think they give him credit for all that. 

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7 minutes ago, frankw said:

I think we can go back to disregarding PFF.

Don't we have one of these guys in our FO too? And we're still dogshit? Yeah....

Maybe it’s some PR scheme at this point 

because PFF is saying, Bryce is a top 10 QB thus far into season.  He is at the #9 ranking lol.   

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4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I wonder who that QB School guy is gonna blame now that Thielen is gone? I'm betting that XL will become his new scapegoat as the sole reason why Bryce isn't shining.

He likes XL for some unknown reason. He will probably go in on Renfrow. 

3 minutes ago, jb2288 said:

I think PFF basically takes the baseball approach and applies "errors". So the dropped passes, XL being dumb, Corbett calling back a great catch. I think they give him credit for all that. 

I mean, not saying Bryce didn't make some good plays but the crippling ones loom large.

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