Be careful what you wish for

[CRA]

Just now, TD alt said:

Let me provide you with some food for thought. Before this "now era" of the NFL, QBs were allowed time to develop. Everyone from the GM to the fans had more patience. QBs were simply better in the old because they were afforded the time to sit, observe and learn. It's no wonder that guys we threw away, or simply didn't want, have had varying degrees of success elsewhere. 

Some Huddlers were talking crazy about Jordan Love and Lamar Jackson---just crazy...

Nick Saban QBs have pretty consistently just been good college QBs (with absurd production) in incredible scenarios.    

I think there is something to almost every Bama and Ohio St not panning out that well at the next level.   Lot of the most dominant NFL QBs were doing way more of the work in college than those dudes.   Really includes UGA too.  There is basically Stafford. 

NIL is going to change all that going forward as those 3 won't basically have the superior roster every single year  

[TD alt]

2 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

For like the 100th time on here, there are only 3 options after this season for Bryce.

1. Trade him

2. Extend him

3. Pick up the 5th

 

what would you recommend the team doing?  Honest question. 

Dude, did you not see my first post in this thread? Bryce would be out on the first thing smoking. I'm tired of him as the Panthers QB. IDGAF if he turns into Mighty Mouse, It's time to put a more prototypical guy on the field. 

[bandu]

1 minute ago, TD alt said:

Let me provide you with some food for thought. Before this "now era" of the NFL, QBs were allowed time to develop. Everyone from the GM to the fans had more patience. QBs were simply better, or at least more fundamentally sound, in the old days because they were afforded the time to sit, observe and learn. It's no wonder that guys we threw away, or simply didn't want, have had varying degrees of success elsewhere. 

Some Huddlers were talking crazy about Jordan Love and Lamar Jackson---just crazy...

I just want to bring u back to reality this is  in fact a #1 overall pick we are talking about in Bryce Young 

 how long should you wait & develop a #1 overall pick in order to get a true understanding of their value ?

3 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

To add to how it use to be with qb's, most successful teams drafted a qb several years before he was needed. That gave them an opportunity to develop him before he was thrown in the fire. In today's society the qb must start day 1 or he's a bust. Its all about getting immediate gratification for both the fans and the owners that want an immediate return. 

 

[tukafan21]

18 minutes ago, frankw said:

Sam Darnold - All the physical tools

Baker Mayfield - All the physical tools

Daniel Jones - All the physical tools

Bryce Young????????

This is literally all it ever comes down to for me with Bryce.

He doesn't have a single physical trait at the average level of a starting QB in the NFL, it's why the draft pick itself just never made any sense to me.  Picking Bryce (for any team) was always going to be betting on him becoming the biggest outlier in the history of the sport/position because of his "super brain" he sold everyone on.

Just that FACT alone should have kept him out of any discussion for a #1 overall pick, let alone a massive trade up to go get him.  

So then, if that super brain hasn't figured it out by Year 3, it's pretty clear that he never will, and when that's the case, his physical limitations just don't allow him to be a successful long term solution.

Edited September 16 by tukafan21

[ForJimmy]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

Nick Saban QBs have pretty consistently just been good college QBs (with absurd production) in incredible scenarios.    

I think there is something to almost every Bama and Ohio St not panning out that well at the next level.   Lot of the most dominant NFL QBs were doing way more of the work in college than those dudes.   Really includes UGA too.  There is basically Stafford. 

NIL is going to change all that going forward as those 3 won't basically have the superior roster every single year  

OSU only has a a couple 1st rounders, Haskins- didn't look good but career was cut short, Fields- Bears about ruined him, and Stroud who looks legit.  

[Move the Panthers to Raleigh]

Yes, we've seen other players and QBs go to a new spot and light it up. But the fact still remains that they were trash while here. Doesn't mean that we should keep them when it is clearly not working out.

We would be absolutely insane to keep Young here for a THIRD coaching regime

[TD alt]

1 minute ago, bandu said:

I just want to bring u back to reality this is  in fact a #1 overall pick we are talking about in Bryce Young 

 how long should you wait & develop a #1 overall pick in order to get a true understanding of their value ?

 

Did you miss my first post in this thread too? Look at the first page and go two down. 

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, TD alt said:

Dude, did you not see my first post in this thread? Bryce would be out on the first thing smoking. I'm tired of him as the Panthers QB. IDGAF if he turns into Mighty Mouse, It's time to put a more prototypical guy on the field. 

My bad, I thought the premise of your post was to let Bryce keep developing

[mrcompletely11]

2 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

This is literally all it ever comes down to for me with Bryce.

He doesn't have a single physical trait at the average level of a starting QB in the NFL, it's why the draft pick itself just never made any sense to me.  Picking Bryce (for any team) was always going to be betting on him becoming the biggest outlier in the history of the sport/position because of his "super brain" he sold everyone on.

Just that FACT alone should have kept him out of any discussion for a #1 overall pick, let alone a massive trade up to go get him.  

So then, if that super brain hasn't figured it out by Year 3, it's pretty clear that he never will, and when that's the case, his physical limitations just don't allow him to be a successful long term solution.

go back and watch the 3rd and 15 to Tremayne.  He was open and bryce did he little hop throw and in the process went off his wrong foot thus not creating any drive on the ball and that allowed not 1 but 2 card defenders to break up the past.

There are examples like that littered from Sunday

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, bandu said:

I just want to bring u back to reality this is  in fact a #1 overall pick we are talking about in Bryce Young 

 how long should you wait & develop a #1 overall pick in order to get a true understanding of their value ?

 

I'm not talking about anyone specific. We were talking about qb development. That applies to any qb drafted back then whether he was the first pick or not. 

[dep]

I get your point but I don't think Young would do dramatically better as starting QB on any other team in the league. Maybe the UFL

Edited September 16 by dep

[TD alt]

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

My bad, I thought the premise of your post was to let Bryce keep developing

It's all good. I think that in general, we may be too impatient, but when you see some guys, like Bryce, there's just nothing you can do with them. 

[tukafan21]

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

go back and watch the 3rd and 15 to Tremayne.  He was open and bryce did he little hop throw and in the process went off his wrong foot thus not creating any drive on the ball and that allowed not 1 but 2 card defenders to break up the past.

There are examples like that littered from Sunday

For me it was the incompletion to Sanders.

Yes, Sanders still should have caught the ball anyways, but Bryce had to make a jump pass from a standing still position because of his height and oncoming pass rusher.

Because of that combined with his weak arm, it was a low pass, whereas a QB with a real NFL arm (and size) is making that throw with ease and still hitting the receiver in the chest with the ball, not down by their knees.

[CRA]

2 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

OSU only has a a couple 1st rounders, Haskins- didn't look good but career was cut short, Fields- Bears about ruined him, and Stroud who looks legit.  

I'm just saying if you made a list of all the dominant Bama, OSU, UGA college QBs out there competing for nattys and blowing folks up.......how many have ever really hit a the next level (regardless of draft status). 

It just seems like that's not where you find a QB.  That's where you find the players for around your QB.  

Then you look at who the actual dominant NFL QBs are.  You got a Texas Tech.  A North Dakota.  A Louisville. 

I mean you got a Burrow that would run counter to my train of thought but yeah, it gets really tough to judge these dudes that were playing on basically college all star rosters.