Be careful what you wish for

[frankw]

6 minutes ago, cranky said:

I am sure you are including his first year under Reich. You know, the previously fired HC that was then also fired 10 games into Bryce'srookie season. Not really sure it's fair to include those but I suppose it helps your arguement. 

To help my arguement, I looked at his ypa since his benching and for his second year, it was 6.73. Drew Brees for comparison was 6.2 his second year and 5.9 his third year so I don't think your stat is a good indicator of future success.

It doesn't work that way sir. You cannot create a thread expect logical honest discussion and then pick and choose which of his 32 career starts you want to evaluate his entire body of work on.

2023 his YPA was 5.5

For 2025 so far his ypa is 5.4.

5.8 is the average and that is being kind if I'm being honest.

[cranky]

2 minutes ago, frankw said:

It doesn't work that way sir. You cannot create a thread expect logical honest discussion and then pick and choose which of his 32 career starts you want to evaluate his entire body of work on.

2023 his YPA was 5.5

For 2025 so far his ypa is 5.4.

5.8 is the average and that is being kind if I'm being honest.

Like I said, I give him a pass on that first season. I just don't think any QB would have been successful given the coaching. 

I look at bryce and see what he did last season after his benching. Apparently everyone else looks at Bryce in 2023 and 2025 only. We all see what we want to see.

[frankw]

7 minutes ago, cranky said:

Like I said, I give him a pass on that first season. I just don't think any QB would have been successful given the coaching. 

I look at bryce and see what he did last season after his benching. Apparently everyone else looks at Bryce in 2023 and 2025 only. We all see what we want to see.

Let's just make this clear. The best the passing offense has looked early in the season when the games actually mattered since 2023 was in Seattle with Reich in 2023 and in Vegas in 2024 with Canales. Both were Andy Dalton starts.

Bryce Young has looked abysmal with now two different coaching staffs to start the season three consecutive years.

No we cannot exclude the Reich year and take ourselves seriously.

Edited 13 hours ago by frankw

[strato]

Rattler; a 5th round pick busting is no sweat.
Hell I wanted that guy because he is able to play in the league and the investment was nothing. 
He would be a better QB for us right now too. And will make a great backup. 

 

[cranky]

1 minute ago, frankw said:

Let's just make this clear. The best the passing offense has looked early in the season when the games actually mattered since 2023 was in Seattle with Reich in 2023 and in Vegas in 2024 with Canales. Both were Andy Dalton starts.

Bryce Young has looked abysmal with now two different coaching staffs to start the season three consecutive years.

No we cannot exclude the Reich years and take ourselves seriously.

Dalton played against the Raiders who went 4-13 so I'm not so sure it was such a massive achievment. In his next game against the Bengals, he threw for 220 yrd, 2 tds and an int. To put that in perspective, The Bengals gave up 321 passing yrds to the Commanders the previous week and gave up 371 yrds passing the following week to the Ravens so Dalton seriously underperformed there. Then the following week against the Bears, Dalton passed for a total of 136 yrds and an int. Not sure how you can justify using Dalton to illustrate how badly young has done. 

 

[CRA]

25 minutes ago, cranky said:

Like I said, I give him a pass on that first season. I just don't think any QB would have been successful given the coaching. 

Bryce Young averaged 179 pass yards per game as a rookie.

we had a one game glimpse that season of the O without Bryce. An old washed Dalton threw for 361 yards (more than double the Bryce average).  Pass game had a totally different feel.  Nothing close to it with Bryce. 

I would think an actual good QB….would have been substantially more successful with Frank that could play the way his O asked.  

[frankw]

2 minutes ago, cranky said:

Dalton played against the Raiders who went 4-13 so I'm not so sure it was such a massive achievment. In his next game against the Bengals, he threw for 220 yrd, 2 tds and an int. To put that in perspective, The Bengals gave up 321 passing yrds to the Commanders the previous week and gave up 371 yrds passing the following week to the Ravens so Dalton seriously underperformed there. Then the following week against the Bears, Dalton passed for a total of 136 yrds and an int. Not sure how you can justify using Dalton to illustrate how badly young has done. 

 

Dalton is bad too. 99% of us agree on that. And that's the point.

There's still a lot of football left for 2025 as ugly as it will probably get. The time to argue about what Bryce Young is or isn't has passed. It's a wrap. QB is the target in round 1 for 2026 no matter what. Turn the page.

[cranky]

5 minutes ago, CRA said:

Bryce Young averaged 179 pass yards per game as a rookie.

we had a one game glimpse that season of the O without Bryce. An old washed Dalton threw for 361 yards (more than double the Bryce average).  Pass game had a totally different feel.  Nothing close to it with Bryce. 

I would think an actual good QB….would have been substantially more successful with Frank that could play the way his O asked.  

Are you seriously comparing a 14 year vet who went to 7 playoff games to a rookie being developed by a coach who would be fired that same year. Seriously?

[33inNC]

5 hours ago, frankw said:

Sam Darnold - All the physical tools

Baker Mayfield - All the physical tools

Daniel Jones - All the physical tools

Bryce Young????????

Was just coming to say this. Bust Young's "super processor" seems to be a sham and he has 0 physical tools to makeup for it. We are hosed. 

[CRA]

6 minutes ago, cranky said:

Are you seriously comparing a 14 year vet who went to 7 playoff games to a rookie being developed by a coach who would be fired that same year. Seriously?

No, clearly I responded to your statement that no QB would have been successful.  Which means you are actually opening up the door for us to think about much better QBs than a washed old Dalton (who as I mentioned, drastically outperformed Bryce in the one game glimpse).

so I’m not even comparing him to Dalton.  I’m looking at the narrative you put out about what it would have looked like with other QBs and yeah, it reasonable to assume others QBs would have had a much different season.  
 

* summary, you can’t actually dimiss Bryce’s rookie season.  See this season as an example of why

[Shotgun]

3 hours ago, CRA said:

Brees was a modern day great at the sneak.  And too often in the Bryce world, Brees is only thought of as old weak armed Brees.  Brees used to fling it downfield.  He was known for the big downfield gambles in his prime. 

Image what Youngs arm would be like if he played at that age.  

[DeAngelo Beason]

5 hours ago, frankw said:

Sam Darnold - All the physical tools

Baker Mayfield - All the physical tools

Daniel Jones - All the physical tools

Bryce Young????????

Bryce Young has the super ultra mental processor or something like that.

[ncstatekwi]

He’s a #1 Pick…they gonna ride this one out…

[CPantherKing]

I agree. The Panthers should have never traded for a QB. They should have stayed with Newton, Allen, Heinicke, and Bridgewater until they found a QB that could prove they were better than them. Could have gotten some QBs in the late rounds over the past 5 seasons to mix in that competition as the underperformers are moved to the back of the line. Then you add in the QBs that are tossed until one of them performs and holds on to the position.

Meanwhile, the defense, OL & skill position players would all be ready for that QB that performs consistently above the set standards.

Wait for a pedigree QB to trade up for if you haven't found your franchise QB. You'd have a team that's ready for them. Darnold, Mayfield & Young were not pedigree QBs