Thielen update

[Icege]

The luchador in question.

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, Icege said:

No tailgate, no excuses!

(The real excuse is that a cat jumped on my balls at 4am and I haven't been able to go back to sleep because the fat poo keeps climbing back up on the dresser that he leapt from no matter how many times I take him down or what I put to block the path.)

I think ultimately Stroud passes the "eye test" so it's a matter of whether he will get it together again. Would a change of scenery help, etc? If he keeps declining, you have to wonder if he was just a flash in the pan early. That can happen to rookies.

Poor Bryce......it's just hard to really pin anything down that he does well. If you really start breaking down individual QB specific abilities, it's hard to say he does anything at even an average NFL starting level. 

I think Bryce's leash ends up ultimately being shorter because he just doesn't have the advantage that CJ does with coming out of the gate hot in his rookie season. Also, DC didn't draft him and has already benched him. 

[kungfoodude]

Just now, Icege said:

The luchador in question.

Goddamn that is a hefty MFer. 

[Icege]

10 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I think ultimately Stroud passes the "eye test" so it's a matter of whether he will get it together again. Would a change of scenery help, etc? If he keeps declining, you have to wonder if he was just a flash in the pan early. That can happen to rookies.

Poor Bryce......it's just hard to really pin anything down that he does well. If you really start breaking down individual QB specific abilities, it's hard to say he does anything at even an average NFL starting level. 

I think Bryce's leash ends up ultimately being shorter because he just doesn't have the advantage that CJ does with coming out of the gate hot in his rookie season. Also, DC didn't draft him and has already benched him. 

Totally fair assessment + criticisms. The breaking down of abilities though... he really is and has been processing things at a high level. The rookie season to forget, while many casual fans were upset that their eye test was being failed, many folks that know ball saw the insanity taking place with the highly touted coaching staff that end up being the biggest bust we have seen in a long time, an injury-riddled OL, and subpar weapons. Those were called excuses then and now.

Hell, even the criticisms about Bryce's arm strength seem to revolve around plays where he was unable to set his feet and deliver the ball. Not always, but there's been enough video showing stuff for example how many catchable deep balls thrown that aren't due to receivers not holding on.

The difference in how the team handled the blitz in week 3 makes me wonder how much of those first two weeks' blitz pick-up issues were on Corbett.

I think Stroud should be fine so long as he doesnt regress to how he was in college for all but the Georgia game. Pressure would really, really rattle him. That was the main reason why 3wks before the draft I put Bryce as 1a and CJ as 1b. Before anyone thinks that I'm just arguing to be right, I also thought that Max Duggan was a mid-round steal so being right clearly isnt that important to me as much as it is figuring out where I got it wrong (the league just wasnt ready for Max's greatness... ).

Edited 2 hours ago by Icege

[ForJimmy]

Stroud will be fine. Yeah they need to fix his OL they stripped apart and yeah he is currently playing bad with his new OC and no OL. The main difference is Stroud showed what he can be for a whole season his rookie year, plus went to the playoffs in each of his first two seasons. I believe he is 2-2 in the playoffs at a very young age for a franchise that was the 2nd worst when they drafted him. This season looks bad but it’s also very early. I will say that this season so far gives you a glimpse of how Stroud would look here. It’s still very much a team sport and always will be. 

[mrcompletely11]

2 hours ago, Icege said:

Looks like CJ got carried by his teammates because in year 3 he has less passing yards and TDs than Bryce with more INTs.  

Full disclosure: I think CJ is fine and understand the issues with the team but am enjoying watching the same folks say "NO EXCUSES!!" for Bryce snap their spine in two bending over backwards to give CJ those same "excuses" they denied Bryce. Kungfu doesnt do that, but considering how much you advocate for passing yards as a primary QB metric for success... well... 

Please show me a post where I am making an excuse for stroud.  He isnt playing well for sure, but you see,  what you absolutely are either being willfully obtuse and simple too stupid to understand is that Stroud has shown the talent to not only win his division but to win in the playoffs.   With bryce...........well you know how what he can and cant do.