Not on Bryce

[cranky]

6 hours ago, frankw said:

Posted this before but for 2025 our salary cap spending on the offense versus the defense is comically lopsided. We have invested a great deal just to try and make this kid look even mediocre and he can't do it.

https://overthecap.com/positional-spending

Not really. I certainly wouldn't call it comical. There 8 teams spending more so it's not like they are way off the scale. Secondly, and more importantly, the majority of the spending is on the OL which I don't mind as much. It is a little high but I would rather have it there then being locked up in a bad QB.

[cranky]

1 hour ago, OldhamA said:

Bingo. 

Hit up the Vikings for Howell. Hit up the Chargers for Lance. Hit up the 49ers for Jones. 

A competent NFL QB can be found if we try. Just staunch the bleeding. 

At this point, I would take an average QB IF I could also have a stout defense and good ST's with it. Give me a team that plays competively, with the defense keeping games within reach. Give me some sacks, hits behind the line and interceptions. Give me a team that plays with some intensity, that is constatnly trying to impose their will on the opposing team. Just don't give me another soft ass team wiffing on tackles. I'll be more than happy wiith that - at least for a while.

[AceMan]

5 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Kyle Bailey and cohost said yesterday that they absolutely would pick up the 5th citing drew brees and sam darnold as examples but they would bring in a vet to compete.

 

Wtf are people watching?  Is this all a giant suck up to tepper.  People can point to darnold and brees but they overlook the vast wasteland of poo qbs that never worked out, mac jones, kenny pickett, zach wilson the list is endless.  Keeping bryce and hoping he turns into a top 10 qb is akin to winning the powerball, the odds are overwhelmingly against you.

 

and anyone using sam fuging darnold as an example of why we should keep bryce needs to have their head examined.  The dude has been the same player his entire fuging career.  Shows talent then mentally implodes at the faintest sign of pressure

Yeah lol Bryce gets compared to every other QB or player you can think of as an excuse.  Drew Brees, current Sam Darnold, Tom Brady, Steph Curry...as the famous Katt Williams once said, "Mike Epps is probably doing Mike Epps, why don't you do you??"

https://www.youtube.com/clip/Ugkxxc4HxsZj7h0BMMm-_szP9t2O8ci6HmAZ

When is Bryce Young going to be Bryce Young and play as Bryce Young, the 1st overall pick??

Edit: This draft description of Brees does sound like Bryce though -- "he slipped due to concerns about his relatively short stature for a professional quarterback (6'0), a perceived lack of arm strength, and a sense that he had succeeded in college in a spread offense."

Edited 4 hours ago by AceMan

[Jmac]

2 hours ago, AceMan said:

Yeah lol Bryce gets compared to every other QB or player you can think of as an excuse.  Drew Brees, current Sam Darnold, Tom Brady, Steph Curry...as the famous Katt Williams once said, "Mike Epps is probably doing Mike Epps, why don't you do you??"

https://www.youtube.com/clip/Ugkxxc4HxsZj7h0BMMm-_szP9t2O8ci6HmAZ

When is Bryce Young going to be Bryce Young and play as Bryce Young, the 1st overall pick??

Edit: This draft description of Brees does sound like Bryce though -- "he slipped due to concerns about his relatively short stature for a professional quarterback (6'0), a perceived lack of arm strength, and a sense that he had succeeded in college in a spread offense."

 More like 5'10........plays like he is 4'10

[frankw]

3 hours ago, cranky said:

Not really. I certainly wouldn't call it comical. There 8 teams spending more so it's not like they are way off the scale. Secondly, and more importantly, the majority of the spending is on the OL which I don't mind as much. It is a little high but I would rather have it there then being locked up in a bad QB.

9th in offensive spending and 28th in defensive spending and folks like you complain about the defense not doing more but you don't see it as lopsided?

[cranky]

17 minutes ago, frankw said:

9th in offensive spending and 28th in defensive spending and folks like you complain about the defense not doing more but you don't see it as lopsided?

They spent 135,068,468 on offense and 93,947,983 on defense. So they are spending 1.43 times the amount on offense than defense. So yeah, they are spending more.

But compared to other teams, it's not as lopsided as you make it out to be. The Rams are spending 2.83 times more on offense than defense, the Eagles are at 2.29, the Bengals 1.6, the Falcons 1.5, the Chiefs 1.43, the Saints 1.35, the Dolfins 1.35 etc etc. 

Now if you want to talk about draft capital, then yes, the Panthers have spent more on the offense than defense. That happens when you use your top draft pick on a reciever for three straight years because you keep missing on it. 

 

[cranky]

27 minutes ago, frankw said:

9th in offensive spending and 28th in defensive spending and folks like you complain about the defense not doing more but you don't see it as lopsided?

And for what it's worth, I never would have drafted Tet. I would have gone defense all the way but that's not my decision.

[frankw]

4 minutes ago, cranky said:

They spent 135,068,468 on offense and 93,947,983 on defense. So they are spending 1.43 times the amount on offense than defense. So yeah, they are spending more.

But compared to other teams, it's not as lopsided as you make it out to be. The Rams are spending 2.83 times more on offense than defense, the Eagles are at 2.29, the Bengals 1.6, the Falcons 1.5, the Chiefs 1.43, the Saints 1.35, the Dolfins 1.35 etc etc. 

Now if you want to talk about draft capital, then yes, the Panthers have spent more on the offense than defense. That happens when you use your top draft pick on a reciever for three straight years because you keep missing on it. 

 

5 minutes ago, cranky said:

And for what it's worth, I never would have drafted Tet. I would have gone defense all the way but that's not my decision.

Let's just keep it real with one another. We've exhausted all these resources into the offense to the detriment of our defense in order to try and make our #1 pick who was billed as a generational ball distributor who would not require elite talent around him look even halfway serviceable. And it has blown up in our faces

[GoobyPls]

10 hours ago, Proudiddy said:

No disrespect to you, but this is exactly the point.  Then maybe you don’t trade up and draft this guy #1 and then give him three years to further run your franchise into the ground simply because you have an affinity for him as a person?  You don’t draft QBs that need to be “carried” by their team in the first round, and you definitely don’t draft them #1 overall.  And you definitely should cut your losses when you realize that’s what they are.

and slow or not, Bryce has missed or poorly placed countless deep throws this year when the receiver beat their coverage.  He did it again Sunday.  You don’t have to be a burner to get open downfield.  But again, all this pressure is placed on everyone else to be flawless because their QB is ass.  What’s easier?   Having a horrible QB and acquiring 10 above average players to surround him with?  Or finding even an above average QB who can make the 10 guys around him, most of whom might be average, better than they actually are?  That’s why I’ve never understood this strategy the team took by drafting him in the first place.  The amount of resources and assets it takes to accommodate him is unreal.

Bryce didn’t trade up for himself. it’s not about surrounding him with an all star team we had a functional offense after the bye last year with below average skill players, it’s about not surrounding him with the bottom of the barrel team, coming into this season we ranked by most major sources around the 27th to 30th offensive roster and now with the injuries at every offensive position we are the bottom if not close to it.

 

Its also unequivocally false, I already posted all of Bryce passes over 20 yards this season almost all were catchable the majority were dropped. 
 

And what are these resources? You know every weapon Bryce had his rookie season is basically out of the league by now lol. Adam Thielen is the only one “starting” and he’s a 4th string WR in Minnesota 

[cranky]

2 minutes ago, frankw said:

 

Let's just keep it real with one another. We've exhausted all these resources into the offense to the detriment of our defense in order to try and make our #1 pick who was billed as a generational ball distributor who would not require elite talent around him look even halfway serviceable. And it has blown up in our faces

I am pretty sure we can agree that the defense was ignored too long trying to build up the offense and it did not work. 

[mrcompletely11]

4 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

Bryce didn’t trade up for himself. it’s not about surrounding him with an all star team we had a functional offense after the bye last year with below average skill players, it’s about not surrounding him with the bottom of the barrel team, coming into this season we ranked by most major sources around the 27th to 30th offensive roster and now with the injuries at every offensive position we are the bottom if not close to it.

 

Its also unequivocally false, I already posted all of Bryce passes over 20 yards this season almost all were catchable the majority were dropped. 
 

And what are these resources? You know every weapon Bryce had his rookie season is basically out of the league by now lol. Adam Thielen is the only one “starting” and he’s a 4th string WR in Minnesota 

 

[frankw]

8 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

I'm guessing there will not be a generational qb in every draft going forward. 

Cam Newton wasn't even regarded as the best QB in his draft class by most analysts and quite a few people on the huddle.

You look at how they played against the best competition you look at their physical traits you look at how they carry themselves as athletes and amongst their teammates and you make the best determination you can.

[PantherFanInPhilly]

5 hours ago, OldhamA said:

"He's not the problem - he's a game manager, it's the people around him".

We traded three first round picks for the guy. Even if he was a game manager (he's not - just look at those drives Dalton led on Sunday and compare them to everything outside of that first scripted drive by Young - it's night and day, and Dalton is waaaaashed), the fact we gave up so much for him absolutely makes him the problem. 

Teams would hesitate to trade three first round picks for Mahomes or Allen ffs. 

Oh, Dalton played Sunday!? I had no idea lol. I turned it off not long into the 3rd quarter. Why did Bryce get pulled? Because he sucks or got hurt?

[strato]

22 minutes ago, PantherFanInPhilly said:

Oh, Dalton played Sunday!? I had no idea lol. I turned it off not long into the 3rd quarter. Why did Bryce get pulled? Because he sucks or got hurt?

Who knows. No injury. Probably to protect that valuable asset with the game lost. Except he has no value to speak of. So maybe just to get Andy some work.