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PFF Grades vs Dolphins

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1 hour ago, strato said:

How can we take the other grades seriously when they throw out stuff like that? 

 

1 hour ago, Mistuh Jones said:

um... make it make sense. 200+ yards, no fumbles so why only a 75?! 

 

1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

dowdle 75 🤣

I mean, it's not a simple grading system, and it's surely not as simple as, "He ran for 200 yards, so he gets a 100." 

Come on, guys...PFF isn't going to share the specifics of their special sauce, but they give you an idea.

"Rushing success is often determined by a rusher’s run blocking, play calling, and the quality of the defense, so there are plenty of times where a player’s grade will not match up perfectly with his statistics. Our goal is to isolate the running back’s contribution to that production, and the runners with the highest grades are those who produce above expectation and outside what the run blocking or scheme allows."

https://www.pff.com/news/pro-how-pff-grades-running-backs

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19 minutes ago, jb2288 said:

He didn't have his system in place that first draft because of Scott getting fired after the season so I give him a pass for 2024 even tho jury is still out on XL and it's a longshot but Brooks looked pretty good in his 10 snaps last year, it's possible with modern medicine he is still a good player. 

I got my conspiracy theory about the XL and Brooks picks.
 

Not going there today but will say I absolutely hated shorting the defense in yet another draft and FA that year. We paid for it too. 

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3 minutes ago, TD alt said:

 

 

I mean, it's not a simple grading system, and it's surely not as simple as, "He ran for 200 yards, so he gets a 100." 

Come on, guys...PFF isn't going to share the specifics of their special sauce, but they give you an idea.

"Rushing success is often determined by a rusher’s run blocking, play calling, and the quality of the defense, so there are plenty of times where a player’s grade will not match up perfectly with his statistics. Our goal is to isolate the running back’s contribution to that production, and the runners with the highest grades are those who produce above expectation and outside what the run blocking or scheme allows."

https://www.pff.com/news/pro-how-pff-grades-running-backs

The secret with PFF is they are specifically opaque because they traded in their once good reputation to poo out next day madden grades for monday morning desk warriors who want something to click on. It takes NFL teams about 36 hours to fully grade every play from their own team, and those are the coaches who know what all of the play calls are, who all of the players are, are professionals at their jobs, and have a staff of interns helping them do it. 

I know people that do this for PFF. There are some people that are smart and good and know what they're talking about, but they're rare. And even in the case of people that have football experience, they don't know the plays. They have an idea of the plays. This is to say nothing about the idiots who played one year of JV ball and never saw the field and can't get over it. That's what the most of PFF is. 

These grades are completely worthless. 

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3 minutes ago, TD alt said:

 

 

I mean, it's not a simple grading system, and it's surely not as simple as, "He ran for 200 yards, so he gets a 100." 

Come on, guys...PFF isn't going to share the specifics of their special sauce, but they give you an idea.

"Rushing success is often determined by a rusher’s run blocking, play calling, and the quality of the defense, so there are plenty of times where a player’s grade will not match up perfectly with his statistics. Our goal is to isolate the running back’s contribution to that production, and the runners with the highest grades are those who produce above expectation and outside what the run blocking or scheme allows."

https://www.pff.com/news/pro-how-pff-grades-running-backs

Yeah I am sure you are right. Every week it seems there is something whacky in those numbers they post.

I like my simple eyeball test, been watching over 60;years. I know when someone loses or wins a matchup or performs above or sucks. 

When WR and QB aren’t in sync, I can’t know who was suppose to do what all the time and don’t try to say. Defensive coverages blown, I don’t always know that either.. so I am imperfect. 
I think PFF is too. No big deal. It’s fun looking at the grades anyway. 

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9 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Kinda a red flag that Christensen only gets pt with multiple injuries, dude clearly can play  

It's been mentioned, and I tend to agree with this, that they were keeping him on the bench as a reserve tackle. That he's too valuable to use at guard because he can play either tackle position if there's an injury there. 

I don't agree with that; Panthers aren't talented enough or in a position to get cute like that.

It also speaks to the limitations of the coaching staff that they don't want to add coaching BC as a guard all week to their responsibilities, but this is clearly a poorly coached offensive unit. 

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1 hour ago, electro's horse said:

that's totally possible, and i'm not saying he's as bad as unathletic as rosebloom or anything, but ive just never seen him do anything impressive. I've seen him trying to race a RB to the boundary multiple times, plays that don't require any recognition; that is your guy, cover him. 

I'm pretty sure I could turn the corner on him and I a MACI procedure done 5 months ago. 

Oh, I had, and have disappointment; unless he does something between now and the end of the year, I’ll think he was a mistake. Unrewarding use of the pick. However you want to say it. 

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