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Where do you fall on the Bryce Young spectrum?

Bear Hands

By Bear Hands,
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Where do you fall on the Bryce Young spectrum?  

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  1. 1. It's been so spirited for so long, let's draw some lines in the sand. Where do you fall on the Bryce spectrum?

    • Full-on fan - He is our Franchise QB, present & future
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    • The door is still open for him being the answer
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    • The door is closed barring a major run
      51
    • Nope, he's not the answer - Doesn't matter what he does
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CRA Grand Master

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14 minutes ago, cranky said:

I disagree about the talent not making a difference. Last season, Bryce completed 77.4% of his passes to Theilen. He only completed 58.3% to Legette. The only difference is one is a better receiver / route runner than the other.

Constantly going to the but his weapons aren’t good enough argument….is conceding he isn’t what we claimed/thought he was.  Entire argument and rationale for the pick is he would be a highly efficient point guard QB that doesn’t need great weapons and the resources could go elsewhere.  

and Bryce Young has one of the worst comp % this year…..with a very good OL, very good backfield and decent weapons.  It’s Bryce.  He is consistent.   Low comp %.  Super high bad throw %.  Everything  changes.  He is largely the same. 

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16 minutes ago, CRA said:

Bryce should have a high completion % given the way he attacks field vs how a young Cam did or a Jake.   Always going to the but the talent! ….does’t work at this point.   Bryce’s is very low and his bad throw % is also crazy high ....

According to ProFootball Reference's advance passing stats:

Bryce Young is at 22% bad passes

Caleb Williams is at 21% bad passes

Cam Ward is at 22% bad passes

Michael Penix is at 22% bad passes

He doesn't look "crazy" high to me when compared to others.

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1 minute ago, CRA said:

Constantly going to the but his weapons aren’t good enough argument….is conceding he isn’t what we claimed/thought he was.  Entire argument and rationale for the pick is he would be a highly efficient point guard QB that doesn’t need great weapons and the resources could go elsewhere.  

and Bryce Young has one of the worst comp % this year…..with a very good OL, very good backfield and decent weapons.  It’s Bryce.  He is consistent.   Low comp %.  Super high bad throw %.  Everything  changes.  He is largely the same. 

Well if you think the talent of the receivers a QB has to throw to does not make a difference in their output, than there's nothing else for me to say because I think it makes all the diference in the world. Guess we will just have to agree to disagree.

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4 hours ago, Khyber53 said:

Luckily, we've got more games ahead to watch and see what happens. Maybe he keeps growing his game, maybe we see that he's topped out when we hit stiffer competition. Or maybe he flames out against a team he should well be able to beat like the Jets this weekend.

I really can't tell where all of this will end. I can say, though, there's no reason to hit the kid at the moment. Let him roll for as long as he can. 

Heck, Sam Darnold is setting the league on fire right now, along with Baker Mayfield and Daniel Jones. Examples of guys mired in bad coaching on bad teams (sometimes our own) that hit their stride just as a team did. Maybe we're about to get lucky. 

I do know one thing. The biggest change in a winning Bryce and a losing Bryce is that when he plays fearlessly, he is a hell of a competitor. When he gets scared, and he has so many times, it all just falls apart for him and no team can save him. Bravery makes the difference and it comes from believing in not just himself, but his line, his receivers, his running back and the play calling. Just like most young QBs.

And quite a few of the old ones. Rodgers couldn't make it in the chaos of the Jets situation. He can in Pittsburgh, so it seems. 

I agree that he plays scared and far too often. I go to game 3 2024 Andy vs LV.  
The exact play, I don’t remember but what I do clearly remember is Andy stood tall in the face of pressure and stepped into a throw knowing he was gonna get hit. 
Made the throw, took the hit, made the play - pretty sure it was downfield. 
 

When Bryce came back in in garbage time it wasn’t long before I saw him do that. And I knew he had seen Andy and understood that if he wanted it, that is how he was going to have to play. 

 But it didn’t last. This season he was back to bailing out saw it in preseason and knew it was the old Bryce. Playing not to get hit. 
 

Sometimes you have to pay the price or you don’t make the play. 
I get him being skittish. Could I do it? I was pretty much his size in high school. I bet I would try but getting killed a couple of times would probably have me acting just like him. 
 

But if he doesn’t sack up, pay attention to his mechanics, and remain diligent about that, he won’t make it. 

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33 minutes ago, cranky said:

According to ProFootball Reference's advance passing stats:

Bryce Young is at 22% bad passes

Caleb Williams is at 21% bad passes

Cam Ward is at 22% bad passes

Michael Penix is at 22% bad passes

He doesn't look "crazy" high to me when compared to others.

Wut?

2023 - worst in the NFL

2024 - 2nd worst in the NFL

2025 - 6th worst in the NFL

that cements him as having the highest bad throw % in the NFL since arriving in 2023 

in what world is that not consistently high? And the last 2 games are doing a lot of work 

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