Where do you fall on the Bryce Young spectrum?

[CRA]

14 minutes ago, cranky said:

I disagree about the talent not making a difference. Last season, Bryce completed 77.4% of his passes to Theilen. He only completed 58.3% to Legette. The only difference is one is a better receiver / route runner than the other.

Constantly going to the but his weapons aren’t good enough argument….is conceding he isn’t what we claimed/thought he was.  Entire argument and rationale for the pick is he would be a highly efficient point guard QB that doesn’t need great weapons and the resources could go elsewhere.  

and Bryce Young has one of the worst comp % this year…..with a very good OL, very good backfield and decent weapons.  It’s Bryce.  He is consistent.   Low comp %.  Super high bad throw %.  Everything  changes.  He is largely the same. 

[cranky]

16 minutes ago, CRA said:

Bryce should have a high completion % given the way he attacks field vs how a young Cam did or a Jake.   Always going to the but the talent! ….does’t work at this point.   Bryce’s is very low and his bad throw % is also crazy high ....

According to ProFootball Reference's advance passing stats:

Bryce Young is at 22% bad passes

Caleb Williams is at 21% bad passes

Cam Ward is at 22% bad passes

Michael Penix is at 22% bad passes

He doesn't look "crazy" high to me when compared to others.

[cranky]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

Constantly going to the but his weapons aren’t good enough argument….is conceding he isn’t what we claimed/thought he was.  Entire argument and rationale for the pick is he would be a highly efficient point guard QB that doesn’t need great weapons and the resources could go elsewhere.  

and Bryce Young has one of the worst comp % this year…..with a very good OL, very good backfield and decent weapons.  It’s Bryce.  He is consistent.   Low comp %.  Super high bad throw %.  Everything  changes.  He is largely the same. 

Well if you think the talent of the receivers a QB has to throw to does not make a difference in their output, than there's nothing else for me to say because I think it makes all the diference in the world. Guess we will just have to agree to disagree.

[cranky]

11 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Wut?

Not like Mayfield and Darnold which is the point CRA was making

[strato]

4 hours ago, Khyber53 said:

Luckily, we've got more games ahead to watch and see what happens. Maybe he keeps growing his game, maybe we see that he's topped out when we hit stiffer competition. Or maybe he flames out against a team he should well be able to beat like the Jets this weekend.

I really can't tell where all of this will end. I can say, though, there's no reason to hit the kid at the moment. Let him roll for as long as he can. 

Heck, Sam Darnold is setting the league on fire right now, along with Baker Mayfield and Daniel Jones. Examples of guys mired in bad coaching on bad teams (sometimes our own) that hit their stride just as a team did. Maybe we're about to get lucky. 

I do know one thing. The biggest change in a winning Bryce and a losing Bryce is that when he plays fearlessly, he is a hell of a competitor. When he gets scared, and he has so many times, it all just falls apart for him and no team can save him. Bravery makes the difference and it comes from believing in not just himself, but his line, his receivers, his running back and the play calling. Just like most young QBs.

And quite a few of the old ones. Rodgers couldn't make it in the chaos of the Jets situation. He can in Pittsburgh, so it seems. 

I agree that he plays scared and far too often. I go to game 3 2024 Andy vs LV.  
The exact play, I don’t remember but what I do clearly remember is Andy stood tall in the face of pressure and stepped into a throw knowing he was gonna get hit. 
Made the throw, took the hit, made the play - pretty sure it was downfield. 
 

When Bryce came back in in garbage time it wasn’t long before I saw him do that. And I knew he had seen Andy and understood that if he wanted it, that is how he was going to have to play. 

 But it didn’t last. This season he was back to bailing out saw it in preseason and knew it was the old Bryce. Playing not to get hit. 
 

Sometimes you have to pay the price or you don’t make the play. 
I get him being skittish. Could I do it? I was pretty much his size in high school. I bet I would try but getting killed a couple of times would probably have me acting just like him. 
 

But if he doesn’t sack up, pay attention to his mechanics, and remain diligent about that, he won’t make it. 

Edited 20 hours ago by strato

[CRA]

33 minutes ago, cranky said:

According to ProFootball Reference's advance passing stats:

Bryce Young is at 22% bad passes

Caleb Williams is at 21% bad passes

Cam Ward is at 22% bad passes

Michael Penix is at 22% bad passes

He doesn't look "crazy" high to me when compared to others.

Wut?

2023 - worst in the NFL

2024 - 2nd worst in the NFL

2025 - 6th worst in the NFL

that cements him as having the highest bad throw % in the NFL since arriving in 2023 

in what world is that not consistently high? And the last 2 games are doing a lot of work 

[strato]

33 minutes ago, raleigh-panther said:

I saw the podcast too

Okay. I finally found it and put it up a couple pages back. 

[panthers55]

8 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

I mean, I understand his teammates publicly support him. He genuinely seems like a good person, for sure.

That is not what makes a successful NFL QB, unfortunately. 

Actually the support seems legitimate and not just when in public. It is a team sport and players have to believe and trust their QB and give their all for the team. Lately that seems to be developing. As players have shared their is a different culture being built for the Panthers as winning helps players see the changes result in some success.

[Raleigh PF]

We aren't asking the right questions.

Bryce is a decent QB. The Panthers are finding out that having the correct pieces around him is required for him to be successful. That means a good running game, competent receivers and a sturdy offensive line. Bryce can be a positive contributor in those conditions.

A couple of further improvements and this could be a playoff team. Bryce could be good enough to help the Panthers get there.

But he's not enough to get the Panthers to the Super Bowl let alone win it. 

So, the missing option in the poll is "He's good enough to help get the Panthers to the playoffs, but not the Super Bowl."

[*FreeFua*]

10 hours ago, AggieLean said:

I’m obviously on the other end of the spectrum, but I can respect this; especially coming from you. You have proven to know what you’re talking about 

I was on that end of the spectrum with you when he got benched so I definitely understand why a lot of people feel that way 

This league does have an issue with developing young QB’s. Especially those that go to bad teams drafting high

The difference with Young from a lot of these other QB’s is that his ceiling is obviously a lot lower due to physical tools

For me, it’s just really tough to look at our organization as a whole and what it’s become the last 7-8 years under Tepper and completely write off any young QB before seeing him with a proper supporting cast (coaching, team, management)

I’d like to see Young be more aggressive with his legs and the BS fumbles absolutely have to stop though 

Edited 11 hours ago by *FreeFua*

[mrcompletely11]

12 hours ago, cranky said:

I'll gladly post all the data for you later this evening. I've been looking for an excuse to throw them up here

update?

[ImfromClayton]

I personally think Bryce is going to be an extremely good Quarterback for a long time. If you look at modern QB development, it just takes a while. The extreme athletes can get by early, but if you look at the trajectories of guys the last 10 years, were seeing a lot of slow-cooking. Jared Goff, Geno Smith, Baker, Sam Darnold, Trevor Lawrence. The list is long. 

The guys that were truly special from Day 1 is an extremely short list. The list of things that college quarterbacks are responsible for gets shorter by the day with the transfer portal, and the college offenses. The list of things that NFL Quarterbacks are responsible for seems to get longer and longer each season.  I saw an interview the other day in which a rookie quarterback and center were calling plays for the offense.  I can't remember the team or the Quarterback, but I definitely remember the clip. It takes time, even for the smartest and most gifted, and the reality is, we have no idea how good or bad the coaching may be until we hear things we aren't supposed to hear anyway. 

Bryce isn't perfect, but I saw in another thread, his biggest struggle is risk/reward. That is something I only expect him to improve upon. His adjustments, ability to read a defense, and execution have been extremely good considering our rosters in his tenure here. Our offensive personnel and coaching were both so poor his rookie year that I'm not sure it's fair to properly evaluate that at all. Since that time, all we've seen from him is growth and progress. 

Edited 10 hours ago by ImfromClayton

[kungfoodude]

4 hours ago, panthers55 said:

Actually the support seems legitimate and not just when in public. It is a team sport and players have to believe and trust their QB and give their all for the team. Lately that seems to be developing. As players have shared their is a different culture being built for the Panthers as winning helps players see the changes result in some success.

I have seen little inclination that they are laying down on him, that I can agree with. I don't think we are going to ever see much in the way of unfiltered opinions in the public realm from his teammates because that's extremely rare and extremely toxic behavior. 

It's certainly a positive thing that they support him but, again, that doesn't make a successful NFL starting QB. Playing well on Sunday's does. 

That is what has been lacking to date. He is not playing well consistently enough to be considered an NFL starting QB. He has to improve there. Be more consistent. Be more decisive. Make correct decisions more frequently. 

[kungfoodude]

11 minutes ago, ImfromClayton said:

I personally think Bryce is going to be an extremely good Quarterback for a long time. If you look at modern QB development, it just takes a while. The extreme athletes can get by early, but if you look at the trajectories of guys the last 10 years, were seeing a lot of slow-cooking. Jared Goff, Geno Smith, Baker, Sam Darnold, Trevor Lawrence. The list is long. 

The guys that were truly special from Day 1 is an extremely short list. The list of things that college quarterbacks are responsible for gets shorter by the day with the transfer portal, and the college offenses. The list of things that NFL Quarterbacks are responsible for seems to get longer and longer each season.  I saw an interview the other day in which a rookie quarterback and center were calling plays for the offense.  I can't remember the team or the Quarterback, but I definitely remember the clip. It takes time, even for the smartest and most gifted, and the reality is, we have no idea how good or bad the coaching may be until we hear things we aren't supposed to hear anyway. 

Bryce isn't perfect, but I saw in another thread, his biggest struggle is risk/reward. That is something I only expect him to improve upon. His adjustments, ability to read a defense, and execution have been extremely good considering our rosters in his tenure here. Our offensive personnel and coaching were both so poor his rookie year that I'm not sure it's fair to properly evaluate that at all. Since that time, all we've seen from him is growth and progress. 

Jared Goff and Baker Mayfield were very successful in their first few seasons in the NFL.

Geno Smith and Sam Darnold were busted prospects that took many stops to "figure it out." Even then, their career arcs aren't set.

Lawrence has been a unquestioned bust versus the hype he came into the league with. He still hasn't figured it out nor does it seem he will be able to live up to that massive contract. It remains to be seen if he is a cautionary tale from that era of mega-contracts or he eventually figures it out and becomes an above average NFL starting QB.