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Defense ranked 7th

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t96 Grand Master

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8 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Can't do it all in one offseason. Hopefully they make some progress in the draft.

Yeah of course. And I'm not expecting the next Luke or TD, but getting a Shaq caliber player in the last few years shouldn't have been so hard. We've tried with guys who wind up just sucking ass. I'd take just passable, but it's hard to fathom how bad ours have been lately.

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Just now, Gapanthersfan said:

Another defensive heavy draft on par with what they just pulled off should have them very competitive. 

Eh....I just want to see BPA for the most part. I don't want to see another desperate draft like we used to see with Rhule and Fitterer.

Defense should be on the forefront for sure.

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8 minutes ago, t96 said:

Yeah of course. And I'm not expecting the next Luke or TD, but getting a Shaq caliber player in the last few years shouldn't have been so hard. We've tried with guys who wind up just sucking ass. I'd take just passable, but it's hard to fathom how bad ours have been lately.

Someone in the structure doesn't value ILB's, IMO. Could be Evero, could be Dan.

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2 hours ago, Murph said:

Bills pass defense ranked 2nd

Bills rush defense ranked 31st
 

We won’t have to rely on Dalton’s arm to be competitive.

Sounds like the type of stats that DC will see and say "F it, lets give Dalton 60 passes in the game" while leaving Rico on the bench and giving Chuba maybe 5 carries in the game...

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2 hours ago, Jay Roosevelt said:

I honestly didn't see this kind of improvement coming. Especially the run defense.

As great as we all knew he was, I'm not sure any of us truly realized just how dominant a player Derrick Brown actually is.

I thought Brown was dominant from day 1 - at least at stopping the run. He has improved a lot from his rookie year with his pass rushing.

Love the weekly clips we get of DB ragdolling some poor olineman as he tackles the RB

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25 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Someone in the structure doesn't value ILB's, IMO. Could be Evero, could be Dan.

I think it is a matter of priorities. We had some big ones. And like you said, and I have said also, it isn’t a one year job. Not with the way they neglected that side of the ball. I think you have to go back to Horn to find any real investment until this last offseason. 

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53 minutes ago, t96 said:

The D has been a pleasant surprise and I give them credit for a huge improvement over last year but linville (who I often disagree with) absolutely has a point here. Falcons are not a top 5 offense lol, they are bottom 5 by scoring offense and Penix played his worst game of the year against us. Cowboys are good but we allowed 27, not horrible like last year we'd have allowed 40+, but still not great. Dolphins got 24, pats got 42 on us, Jags 26. Our overall stats are skewed by the Atlanta shutout and playing the Jets' awful offense. 

Don't get me wrong, I've been impressed by the D, largely Horn/Brown and the rookies, but it's been a pretty easy schedule and they still haven't been outstanding. Just solid.

While true, lets keep in mind that some awful turnovers from Bryce has pretty much either given opposition points or given them a short field to then score points. JAX, AZ, Miami, and Dallas (Tet's fault) game all had at least 1 turnover that pretty much let the opposing team score or start at our 25 or closer. Let's not even get into the punt coverage debacle of the Pats game...

Are the D's stats inflated by weaker offenses so far - probably. But the points allowed is misleading - offense and ST have played a big role in a good chunk of the points allowed.

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1 minute ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

While true, lets keep in mind that some awful turnovers from Bryce has pretty much either given opposition points or given them a short field to then score points. JAX, AZ, Miami, and Dallas (Tet's fault) game all had at least 1 turnover that pretty much let the opposing team score or start at our 25 or closer. Let's not even get into the punt coverage debacle of the Pats game...

Are the D's stats inflated by weaker offenses so far - probably. But the points allowed is misleading - offense and ST have played a big role in a good chunk of the points allowed.

It is really hard to rank defenses off of yards. 
To me the only true measure is how they do against the powerhouse offensive teams. If you can get enough of those  those matchups. 
Points allowed too. There might be a way to weight points allowed after turnover puts them up against it. 
Yardage ain’t it for me. 

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37 minutes ago, strato said:

I think it is a matter of priorities. We had some big ones. And like you said, and I have said also, it isn’t a one year job. Not with the way they neglected that side of the ball. I think you have to go back to Horn to find any real investment until this last offseason. 

This seems to be a relatively long running issue, IMO. The LB's have not been a priority since the Luvu signing.

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