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I’m out on Bryce, Canales and this team

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7 hours ago, Shocker said:

I think Jayden Maiava is a logical target.  I assume Mendoza, Simpson and Moore are gone providing they all come out.  Maiava should be easily available in the second at least by current projections.  I don’t want to mess with a small QB (like Mateer).  Sellers ain’t ready and Nessimeyer and Allar ain’t it.  Still think Carson Beck could help as a developmental back up.

Beck is not an NFL QB.

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10 hours ago, Beast_3000 said:

Receivers arent wide open because Bryce cant throw the ball further than 20 yards down field, The field is condensed.  The secondary can throw 9 in the box or be really aggressive because there isn’t a threat of a post route. That’s not a Canales issue that’s a Bryce thing, 

  He’s smart but he’s physically limited. Glad you are finally seeing it. 

I would love for somebody to do an all 22 and analyze if the receivers were even attempting to run vertical routes and they’re not getting separation or that schematically Dave has abandoned the vertical passing game. It makes no sense to be a run first team and not have a threat of play action deep passes

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8 minutes ago, Jmac said:

You have to be blind in one eye and can't see out the other to think Young is the guy. 

Yeah lol. I know. I was begging anyone who would listen please don’t draft him.

There just isn’t a single NFL level ‘plus’ physical trait to offset his negatives. 3rd day gamble was where I had him. 

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1 minute ago, strato said:

Yeah lol. I know. I was begging anyone who would listen please don’t draft him.

There just isn’t a single NFL level ‘plus’ physical trait to offset his negatives. 3rd day gamble was where I had him. 

The part that bothers me about him isn’t even the height it is the fact that apparently he doesn’t have an arm to reliably keep a defense honest with deep passing or to put enough velocity on the ball in short to either immediate passing to so into tight windows Last year somebody did an analysis showing that Bryce‘s arm just has not been the same since his shoulder injury in 2022. I just don’t understand how a casual fan can notice something like that but pro scouts Are fooled

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I would love for somebody to do an all 22 and analyze if the receivers were even attempting to run vertical routes and they’re not getting separation or that schematically Dave has abandoned the vertical passing game. It makes no sense to be a run first team and not have a threat of play action deep passes

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The part that bothers me about him isn’t even the height it is the fact that apparently he doesn’t have an arm to reliably keep a defense honest with deep passing or to put enough velocity on the ball in short to either immediate passing to so into tight windows Last year somebody did an analysis showing that Bryce‘s arm just has not been the same since his shoulder injury in 2022. I just don’t understand how a casual fan can notice something like that but pro scouts Are fooled

I have said the same thing for years now. It was beyond belief for me. It took me one viewing of his pro day to know. There was zero doubt. And I am just a guy that has watched football a long time, not an evaluator. I didn’t play QB ever. 
I don’t think the scouts had any real input. And I could never buy that Reich didn’t know better. Or anyone that played in the NFL for that matter. Especially defensive guys. 

Look at the physical aspects, not a single plus. And then I saw the footwork which is completely unique to him, that was a major red flag. You can’t easily change things like that. 
 

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1 hour ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

I've been a big supporter of Young but after yesterday I have to face the reality that many of you were right.  We're never getting past mediocrity until we get a QB that can use the entire field.  We're too easy to defend.

This isn’t even mediocrity sadly. I would have been fine with a respectable performance that allows your players to make the play. He is the weakest link on the offense.

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This isn’t even mediocrity sadly. I would have been fine with a respectable performance that allows your players to make the play. He is the weakest link on the offense.

What I meant was we will never get PAST mediocrity.  Right now, we're not even mediocre.  With Young Mediocracy is our ceiling.  We'll never be anything better than .500 

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This isn’t even mediocrity sadly. I would have been fine with a respectable performance that allows your players to make the play. He is the weakest link on the offense.

 No sooner than the ball was put in his hands to do something with, it went south.

Aside from trying to get wide in the run game, I don’t know what Canales could have done. The game was 3 points, and the main goal was to keep it there at that point and the way that was done was not put it on Bryce. Just keep pounding the line and hope something breaks, hope the defense makes a play, etc. All better  than trusting BY9 to make something happen.  

Now I am no OC/XO guy that is just the layman’s perspective. And I was watching on radio. So, blind. 
Luke did say they need to get out wide and see if they could make the corner  

 

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31 minutes ago, NAS said:

This isn’t even mediocrity sadly. I would have been fine with a respectable performance that allows your players to make the play. He is the weakest link on the offense.

Lol on an offense with Corbett, XL, Sanders.

I know we are past the 1.1 expectations. But he is supposed to make guys better; he maybe did that with a washed AT and that’s it. 

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