Bryce Slinging Dots Downfield

[frankw]

The TD throw to Coker was a dot and one of the best throws I've seen Bryce make. Credit where it is due to both of them that was a beauty.

[strato]

27 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Eh, feels more like a chicken or egg discussion to me.

Have his downfield throws actually improved or is it that they only allow him to throw it downfield in very specific and few situations to where he can't be making bad throws?

We don't ever let him just rip it downfield and put it into tight windows or true deep ball shots.  They only let him throw it more than 10 yards downfield when they know the player will/should be running open and he's able to place it where it needs to be.

You know, that is one thing about this. He is catching them napping right now basically. They dare him to do that and don’t really take it seriously.  
 

I am glad it is happening because they will have to change how they defend us if it keeps up. 

Edited 1 hour ago by strato

[tukafan21]

1 minute ago, McLovin said:

He had the seam wide ass open right away, never came off T-Mac, then threw it late. Even if it's designed for T-Mac, it's just his primary on the play and he absolutely should have come off of it.

I'm also not buying that's what they're telling him. He just can't read anything.

Oh I totally get what you're saying, and maybe I'm wrong, but it's just really felt like that all year long to me.

When we have 3rd and 5 and we have a pass play, one of 3 things seems to happen. 

1.  Bryce stares T-Mac down and throws it to him no matter what.

2.  Bryce takes the snap and immediately throws a quick pass to the opposite side of the field T-Mac is lined up on.

3.  Bryce goes through 2 or 3 progressions before throwing, all to the opposite side T-Mac lined up on and then throws that way too.

I can't ever remember seeing a team with such a clear cut #1 WR who runs theirs obvious 3rd down passing situations like this.  They usually pepper that player with those targets, or if not, he's still the first read in case he's going to be open and they throw it that way if he is, if not they then progress through to the other guys.

That's why I think they're dictating to Bryce on most pass plays if T-Mac is an option on it.  It's like the coaches are trying to out-smart the other team's DC by saying "they think we're looking at T-Mac here, so I'm not even going to allow Bryce to look at him and make them waste defensive attention on him while I'm always having Bryce look elsewhere."  

[tukafan21]

3 minutes ago, strato said:

You know, that is one thing about this. He is catching them napping right now basically. They dare him to do that and don’t really take it seriously.  
 

I am glad it is happening because they will have to change how they defend us if it keeps up. 

Eh, he's catching them napping because they know he can't make those throws when they properly defend it.

That doesn't seem sustainable for long term success, nor is it a recipe for being able to make those throws when the other team knows you have to make them.

It basically only works in a game where you're able to run the ball at will, if you aren't doing it, the defense doesn't need to worry about overloading the box thinking Bryce can't make a throw on them.

[CPantherKing]

Run. Run. Run. Call a play that gets a WR behind the defense for a one read and throw for the QB. Those were well designed play calls and coaching with excellent selling by the WRs. Bryce just needed to throw it without messing up like a top ranked HS QB.

Less than 4 completions per quarter as orchestrated by Canales. Tet and XL both had 1 reception each and Coker had 4. He wasn't slinging dots. He was checking down to RBs and TEs while waiting for Canales to get the receivers open for him

He's a PG and not a QB

[SmokinwithWilly]

59 minutes ago, TN05 said:

I think most of the Bryce haters would prefer we were 0-13 than in the playoff hunt.

No. What myself and many others want is for Bryce to show some form of consistency. Vs Atl he has the best game of his career followed up by shitting the bed on prime time. Most of his games have been bad with the occasional good half performance thrown in here and there. What I and many other "haters" were calling for was a single complete year of relatively consistent play from our QB to be able to say with certainty, extend him or cut him. We're in the same place now as we were st the beginning of the year. QB purgatory. Who knows what he is? The only thing you can say with any certainty is he's consistently inconsistent. 

[L-TownCat]

1 minute ago, mrBdawg said:

Somebody has to be on the other side when it’s 99% haters on here right? Do yall really wanna just get on here and furiously masturbate together over your hatred for the guy?

There are plenty of blind, belligerent, Bryce butt bangers to keep us both bemused and amused.

[Chaos]

20 minutes ago, PootieNunu said:

I dont understand you guys, we have a QB that has proven himself to be a bottom third of the league guy and you guys are against upgrading him why??

We have an offense that is ready to be one of the best in the league being held back by mediocre QB play.

We ran the ball 40 times today, Bryce tossed it 20.

Did he play a good game? Yes. Could we have a better QB on a weekly basis? fug yes.

This is what they can't wrap their heads around.  Most fans should be happy with the wins, I know I am thrilled to see us win; it's been a rare sight for many years.  However, I also don't want Bryce Young to be our quarterback of the future. I can want both things.

[strato]

14 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Eh, he's catching them napping because they know he can't make those throws when they properly defend it.

That doesn't seem sustainable for long term success, nor is it a recipe for being able to make those throws when the other team knows you have to make them.

It basically only works in a game where you're able to run the ball at will, if you aren't doing it, the defense doesn't need to worry about overloading the box thinking Bryce can't make a throw on them.

I promise you it works better than when you never do it, as we have seen for the better part of three years. 
 

[tukafan21]

1 minute ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

No. What myself and many others want is for Bryce to show some form of consistency. Vs Atl he has the best game of his career followed up by shitting the bed on prime time. Most of his games have been bad with the occasional good half performance thrown in here and there. What I and many other "haters" were calling for was a single complete year of relatively consistent play from our QB to be able to say with certainty, extend him or cut him. We're in the same place now as we were st the beginning of the year. QB purgatory. Who knows what he is? The only thing you can say with any certainty is he's consistently inconsistent. 

Exactly, and it's why I was saying before the season and all season long so far, that I don't care about our W-L record this year, never did.

This year was all about showing actual growth and consistency on the field, not a handful of great plays that make people gloss over all the bad and wrongly make them think he's some stud, which unfortunately is exactly what is happening.

I wanted Bryce to either step up and unquestionably prove he's a long term high end solution at QB or completely implode and prove he must move on from him this offseason.  Unfortunately he's done the exact opposite and done just enough to make a large number of fans think he's proven to be the guy, despite actually showing more proof that he's not the guy and we win in spite of him, not because of him.

This season is setting us up for a rough next couple of years when we pick up or extend Bryce, keep Canales around, but we still don't turn into a true contender in the next few years and then still have to start over again, instead of just getting started on the re-set this offseason or going into next year as a true contender.

[PootieNunu]

2 minutes ago, Chaos said:

This is what they can't wrap their heads around.  Most fans should be happy with the wins, I know I am thrilled to see us win; it's been a rare sight for many years.  However, I also don't want Bryce Young to be our quarterback of the future. I can want both things.

Feel the same way. Love when we win, but dont want us to sign boy wonder to some stupid ass contract when he needs so much help to win. 

[tukafan21]

2 minutes ago, Chaos said:

This is what they can't wrap their heads around.  Most fans should be happy with the wins, I know I am thrilled to see us win; it's been a rare sight for many years.  However, I also don't want Bryce Young to be our quarterback of the future. I can want both things.

THIS times a million.

We can want to see us win games while also having objective opinions about Bryce and what he can or can't be long term.

The problem is we're seeing the things that show us what he can't be long term, while we're also winning games, which makes for a very weird feeling.

We're not upset that we're winning games, but we're concerned that we're winning games in spite of Bryce and that it will lead to him being kept around and only delaying our eventual re-set at QB (and HC) even further down the line and that frustrates us.

[frankw]

57 minutes ago, mrBdawg said:

Do yall really wanna just get on here and furiously masturbate together

[mrBdawg]

11 minutes ago, L-TownCat said:

There are plenty of blind, belligerent, Bryce butt bangers to keep us both bemused and amused.

No there are truly not, there are very few on here. Somebody has to take the other stance to get some real discourse going around here