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ESPN guys talk Bryce fifth year option

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6 minutes ago, Castavar said:

I think Sam Howell would absolutely kill it in Canales' system. Throw a late rounder the Eagles way and go get him. Still only 25 too. Low risk high reward. 

Howell is an UFA in 2026 so it would not cost anything. For those who want to cut Dalton, that would be a 5.8M cap hit.  They guaranteed 5.9M of Dalton's salary because they thought he was a good mentor for Bryce so the plan is obviously to keep them both in '26, which really means they plan to pick up the fifth year option in May.  Adding a Sam Howell or third round draft pick in '26 makes sense even though it limits roster spots.  Dalton is Bryce's security blanket.  

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5 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

How? Coen has been better than Canales at every step and Lawrence still struggling with a much better supporting cast.

 

Jags lead the NFL with 36 drops (many have been huge ones).  That supporting cast has been really bad (and hurt) on the year.   

Trevor is just Trevor.  A lab built QB that plays aggressive/dumb.  He will have 5 seasons under his belt by years in with 3 different HCs.....and just 2 losing seasons. 

Trevor is a disappointment in terms of being a #1 overall pick.   But he is middle of the road NFL starting QB. 

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17 minutes ago, Castavar said:

Why Sam Howell hasn't been given another chance to start on a team after putting up decent numbers on a bad commanders team running for his life (most sacked QB in the league in 2023) is beyond me, especially when you have the likes of Geno Smith, Bryce Young, JJ McCarthy, Justin Fields, Tyrod Taylor, Trevor Lawrence, and Tua still being given a chance.

In 2023:

Passing yards (15th)

Completion % (14th)

Total TDs (12th)

YPG (17th)

QBR (24th)

I think Sam Howell would absolutely kill it in Canales' system. Throw a late rounder the Eagles way and go get him. Still only 25 too. Low risk high reward. 

Draft status follows you. 1st rounders get chance after chance. Mid-rounders often don't. I mean, they get roster chances but not necessarily chances to compete for starting roles, especially at QB.

Evidently the Seahawks were interested in Howell in the draft and the guy on the staff primarily responsible for scouting him was their QB coach at the time... Dave Canales. Canales was the Seahawks representative sent to the UNC pro day.

https://seahawkswire.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/seahawks/2022/03/28/seahawks-quarterbacks-coach-unc-sam-howell-pro-day/80280994007/

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5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Draft status follows you. 1st rounders get chance after chance. Mid-rounders often don't. I mean, they get roster chances but not necessarily chances to compete for starting roles, especially at QB.

Evidently the Seahawks were interested in Howell in the draft and the guy on the staff primarily responsible for scouting him was their QB coach at the time... Dave Canales. Canales was the Seahawks representative sent to the UNC pro day.

https://seahawkswire.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/seahawks/2022/03/28/seahawks-quarterbacks-coach-unc-sam-howell-pro-day/80280994007/

sign howell, draft a guy and make it a fair competition

 

I think we all know what would happen

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11 minutes ago, rebelrouser said:

Howell is an UFA in 2026 so it would not cost anything. For those who want to cut Dalton, that would be a 5.8M cap hit.  They guaranteed 5.9M of Dalton's salary because they thought he was a good mentor for Bryce so the plan is obviously to keep them both in '26, which really means they plan to pick up the fifth year option in May.  Adding a Sam Howell or third round draft pick in '26 makes sense even though it limits roster spots.  Dalton is Bryce's security blanket.  

Security blanket or not, Dalton is done. He can't win a game as a backup or even compete at a minimal level. He needs to go. Bryce has had a woobie for 3 years. Time to put that away. 

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15 minutes ago, rebelrouser said:

Howell is an UFA in 2026 so it would not cost anything. For those who want to cut Dalton, that would be a 5.8M cap hit.  They guaranteed 5.9M of Dalton's salary because they thought he was a good mentor for Bryce so the plan is obviously to keep them both in '26, which really means they plan to pick up the fifth year option in May.  Adding a Sam Howell or third round draft pick in '26 makes sense even though it limits roster spots.  Dalton is Bryce's security blanket.  

I am assuming this is true.  And its kindof crazy that there hasnt really been a story about why Howell cannot stay on a roster.

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Sam Howell had to throw upwards of 50 times a game and 84% of his balls were catchable. Of his 612 attempts, 84% were catchable. (According to sports info solutions) EIGHTY FOUR PERCENT. That’s with the defense knowing he was going to pass. No run game. No defense having to respect play action. An atrocious offensive line. 84%. He was sacked 65 times.

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33 minutes ago, Castavar said:

Why Sam Howell hasn't been given another chance to start on a team after putting up decent numbers on a bad commanders team running for his life (most sacked QB in the league in 2023) is beyond me, especially when you have the likes of Geno Smith, Bryce Young, JJ McCarthy, Justin Fields, Tyrod Taylor, Trevor Lawrence, and Tua still being given a chance.

In 2023:

Passing yards (15th)

Completion % (14th)

Total TDs (12th)

YPG (17th)

QBR (24th)

I think Sam Howell would absolutely kill it in Canales' system. Throw a late rounder the Eagles way and go get him. Still only 25 too. Low risk high reward. 

I think the league has largely spoken on Howell. He didn't end up a 3rd string QB accidentally. Same as Winston.

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1 minute ago, GoobyPls said:

How many of those drops are off target throws which Lawrence is near the top in?

Its AI but here goes nothing:

 

Trevor Lawrence's catchable ball statistics vary by situation, with his highest rate being
74.1%74.1 %
74.1%

in a clean pocket and his lowest on deep balls at

41.2%41.2 %
41.2%

. When pressured, his catchable pass rate is

51.6%51.6 %
51.6%

, and it's

55.2%55.2 %
55.2%

on play-action plays. Lawrence has also been impacted by a high receiver drop rate, which makes it appear as if he is more inaccurate than he is. 

Catchable pass rate by situation 
  • Clean pocket:
    74.1%74.1 %
    74.1%
    (ranks 28th out of 32 quarterbacks)
  • Deep balls:
    41.2%41.2 %
    41.2%
    (ranks 23rd out of 32 quarterbacks)
  • When pressured:
    51.6%51.6 %
    51.6%
    (ranks 15th out of 32 quarterbacks)
  • On play action:
    55.2%55.2 %
    55.2%
    (ranks 28th out of 32 quarterbacks)
  • Red zone:
    65.1%65.1 %
    65.1%
    (ranks 15th out of 32 quarterbacks)
  • When blitzed:
    69.2%69.2 %
    69.2%
    (ranks 19th out of 32 quarterbacks) 

 

Compared to:

 

Bryce Young's catchable ball stats vary by situation, with a high catchable pass rate of
73.2%73.2 %
73.2%

in a clean pocket (30th in the NFL) and a

60%60 %
60%

rate on deep throws (20+ air yards), which was 10th in the NFL in 2024. However, his pressured and blitzed catchable rates were lower at

39.7%39.7 %
39.7%

(31st) and

60.3%60.3 %
60.3%

(29th), respectively. 

By situation 
  • Clean pocket:
    73.2%73.2 %
    73.2%
    catchable pass rate (30th in NFL)
  • Deep ball (20+ air yards):
    60%60 %
    60%
    catchable pass rate (10th in NFL in 2024)
  • Pressure:
    39.7%39.7 %
    39.7%
    catchable pass rate (31st in NFL)
  • Blitzed:
    60.3%60.3 %
    60.3%
    catchable pass rate (29th in NFL)
  • Red zone:
    62.5%62.5 %
    62.5%
    catchable pass rate (22nd in NFL) 
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1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

I think the league has largely spoken on Howell. He didn't end up a 3rd string QB accidentally. Same as Winston.

I dont necessarily disagree just really curious as to why that is?  He either must be a dunce, a bad teammate or must be horrendous in practice because I thought he showed promise at least in his 2nd year

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19 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I dont necessarily disagree just really curious as to why that is?  He either must be a dunce, a bad teammate or must be horrendous in practice because I thought he showed promise at least in his 2nd year

He is just a wild, TO prone gunslinger. That's not particularly valued in the NFL in this era.

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