First 4 NFL starts - Tyler Shough

[Mr. Scot]

15 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

I know I'm probably in the minority but I don't think Levis got a fair shot with the Titans and honestly he looked better than Ward as a rookie (and I'm a Ward fan).  I know he was kind of an older rookie but he was very hot and cold which to me makes me think he has some ability.  He needs to develop mentally in the game but a good coach might be able to do that.  I'd like to see him so learn behind Stafford in LA.  If McVay can't develop him than no one can. 

I was under the impression that the tItans had released him but when I look him up, he's on injured reserve with them.

Yeah, I could see him getting another chance somewhere. Guys with big arms usually do. 

[CRA]

41 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

No, he has gotten chance after chance after chance. Did you forget his two year, $40 mil starting QB contract this past offseason.

He has gotten three different starting QB opportunities.

I am assuming those will eventually end, although the continuance of those is wild.

the team that drafted him washed their hands of him after 3 years.  Bryce would get chances after Carolina.  But Fieldswill be 1 year stops until teams just admit he is at best a backup.  

Fields is even weirder than Bryce.  He is ever so slightly more efficient and individually productive than Bryce but call it a push.  Both are basically these one read QBs that can't really play and make reads into zone.  But Fields forever has some legit elite physical tools (his legs) that people keep wishing would allow them to solve the puzzle. 

for me, Bryce, Fields, and those types fall below even the Mitch Trubisky tier.  Which is a young dude w/ no reality of being more than a middle tier QB but actually is one (while the others are below bottom tier). 

[kungfoodude]

4 minutes ago, CRA said:

the team that drafted him washed their hands of him after 3 years.  Bryce would get chances after Carolina.  But Fieldswill be 1 year stops until teams just admit he is at best a backup.  

Fields is even weirder than Bryce.  He is ever so slightly more efficient and individually productive than Bryce but call it a push.  Both are basically these one read QBs that can't really play and make reads into zone.  But Fields forever has some legit elite physical tools (his legs) that people keep wishing would allow them to solve the puzzle. 

for me, Bryce, Fields, and those types fall below even the Mitch Trubisky tier.  Which is a young dude w/ no reality of being more than a middle tier QB but actually is one (while the others are below bottom tier). 

They are all ultimately backup tier QB's, at best.

My assertion is that Fields is worse than Bryce BECAUSE of those insane physical abilities but I have beaten that horse plenty enough.

Chicago was smart to move on after three seasons while Fields had a tiny amount of value. I suspect Bryce will not have that when/if we decide to move him.

[CRA]

Just now, kungfoodude said:

They are all ultimately backup tier QB's, at best.

My assertion is that Fields is worse than Bryce BECAUSE of those insane physical abilities but I have beaten that horse plenty enough.

Chicago was smart to move on after three seasons while Fields had a tiny amount of value. I suspect Bryce will not have that when/if we decide to move him.

I mean I can agree that Fields is worse under the narrative he has tools to be better.  It would like if Cam and Jimmy Clausen gave you about the same level of production.  Cam in theory is worse because he is Julius Peppers playing QB with a different ceiling.  But all things considered, Bryce and Justin Fields offer teams that same thing (all though they go about it different).  Below average QB play and we have seen both long enough to know it isn't worth pretending they can be what either were drafted to be. 

[Shotgun]

3 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

  the pro-Bryce side too but it's a smaller crowd.

 

 

[Mr. Scot]

2 hours ago, Shotgun said:

 

[Shotgun]

He looks legit.

[Stuart Smith]

On 12/4/2025 at 12:50 PM, Mr. Scot said:

Kellen Moore is a good quarterback coach.

Don't know that he's a good head coach but the ability to coach QBs is a valuable commodity in this league. Arguably the biggest there is...

I was just think about the Kellen Moore influence. Interesting Moore left Dallas in a Mutual “parting of the ways” after their lack of success in the playoffs, then interviewed in 2025 for their head coaching job. Hopefully if the panthers were not focused enough after today’s NO win they will be. 

[cranky]

On 12/4/2025 at 2:45 PM, CRA said:

I don't think that's intellectually honest of the view at all...

I think the people you deem are "unhappy" with stats......just stay fixated on the the big picture and to actually matter in the NFL going forward, you need more offensive production and more threatening play from the QB spot....if the goal is to be consistently relevant in the future and present a real threat to win the league on an ongoing basis (which is supposed to the goal and mission you are building toward)

Finding our way to a random 9 win season......without the inspiration belief we are on the way to achieve what we want .....just doesn't actually mean much. 

 

I would hate to know I dislike a QB so much that I couldn't win enjoy a 9 win season - especially given how long it's been since they have had a winning season. 

 

 

[CRA]

35 minutes ago, cranky said:

I would hate to know I dislike a QB so much that I couldn't win enjoy a 9 win season - especially given how long it's been since they have had a winning season. 

 

 

I can enjoy a 7 win (to date) season that no one saw coming because of our below average QB play.  

I don’t enjoy folks that make every win about the below average QB we need to move on from.

None of this is hard to understand unless you want to to be hard.  Goal is to build a team that can contend.  We know where we are on the right page/path and wrong ones.   Well, some of us 

 

[Jackson113.2]

He isn't going anywhere this season,  so just enjoy the rest of the season.  I mean beating up on him is getting nothing done. He might take us to the SB or he may poo the bed , either way we'll see. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

26 minutes ago, cranky said:

I would hate to know I dislike a QB so much that I couldn't win enjoy a 9 win season - especially given how long it's been since they have had a winning season. 

 

 

We don’t currently have 9 wins.

I didn’t care about a winning season before it started and I still don’t. I care about building a consistent winning organization. We haven’t had that in 3 decades. This season was always about, did we have a franchise QB?

Take away the name and the draft position and evaluate the play over the course of the season and I think he hasn’t been good enough to label this QB as a franchise elevating player. He has required an unsustainable amount of resources to make him a bottom tier QB. 
 

Our defense has been middle of the road despite having among the least amount of dedicated cap in the league. We are relying on 2 rookies for our pass rush because we’ve spent heavily in draft and FA on offense.
 

This QB doesn’t make our team a contender for the next decade. I won’t pretend otherwise. 

[AggieLean]

18 minutes ago, Jackson113.2 said:

He isn't going anywhere this season,  so just enjoy the rest of the season.  I mean beating up on him is getting nothing done. He might take us to the SB or he may poo the bed , either way we'll see. 

Same could be said for a Nick Scott, XL, Evero, Canales, Zavala, etc. All examples of players or coaches that have received constant criticism. There doesn’t seem to be this positivity push for these guys though lol

[cranky]

46 minutes ago, CRA said:

I can enjoy a 7 win (to date) season that no one saw coming because of our below average QB play.  

I don’t enjoy folks that make every win about the below average QB we need to move on from.

None of this is hard to understand unless you want to to be hard.  Goal is to build a team that can contend.  We know where we are on the right page/path and wrong ones.   Well, some of us 

 

You didn't say 7, you said 9. I just repeated ytour words.

Bryce has had below average games, he has not been a below average QB. 

I agree the goal is to build a contender and given they have defeated the Rams, the Packers, the Cowboys and a shoot-out with Atlanta, that's what I see. I'm not sure why you can't.