Why does Bryce get the blame?

[GoobyPls]

5 hours ago, PantherChris said:

im well aware of that you do know the motion required to generate a throw like that is extremely painfull on the opposite shoulder too right?  Also it was the longest pass he threw all night at 27 air yards.... hardly a "bomb"

They inject players with so much o doubt Baker felt anything, again if your gonna use Baker hurting his shoulder 4 weeks ago vs his poor performance vs NO then I’m gonna use Bryce still wrapped ankle for any future misgivings. 

[strato]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The Turk signing never made any sense. Turk was basically a five tech pass rush specialist in KC benefitting from playing beside one of the best all around DTs in the league. He didn't fit our scheme at all. It was baffling. 

Just another example of a dumb ole Huddler seeing something obvious that our decision makers were evidently blind to.

 

 

I smell Tillis’ influence here, in the Wharton signing.  KC. Probably vouched for his locker room vibe and motor.  

Edited 8 hours ago by strato

[LinvilleGorge]

37 minutes ago, strato said:

I smell Tillis’ influence here, in the Wharton signing.  KC. Probably vouched for his locker room vibe and motor.  

No idea. I just know that my initial reaction was "What??? That makes no sense for our scheme."

[ForJimmy]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

No idea. I just know that my initial reaction was "What??? That makes no sense for our scheme."

He is definitely overpaid and has been a disappointment.  Has had trouble staying healthy honesty, but I'm not sure our scheme is an issue.  We run nickel more than anything like most teams.  We line with with 4 DL sometimes and 3 sometimes.  If he gets healthy and starts playing like he did in KC we will roll with a front that is best for him more times than not IMO.  

[LinvilleGorge]

5 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

He is definitely overpaid and has been a disappointment.  Has had trouble staying healthy honesty, but I'm not sure our scheme is an issue.  We run nickel more than anything like most teams.  We line with with 4 DL sometimes and 3 sometimes.  If he gets healthy and starts playing like he did in KC we will roll with a front that is best for him more times than not IMO.  

Classic example of a guy who cashed in on being a one year wonder in a contract year. He had three career starts in his first four seasons then had 6.5 sacks in his fifth year with 10 starts and we give him $40M. 

He's a fine rotational guy but he's not a guy you pay like a legit building piece.

[ForJimmy]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Classic example of a guy who cashed in on being a one year wonder in a contract year. He had three career starts in his first four seasons then had 6.5 sacks in his fifth year with 10 starts and we give him $40M. 

He's a fine rotational guy but he's not a guy you pay like a legit building piece.

Yeah no doubt we overpaid on him and Moehrig.  I'm just saying scheme isn't really the issue.  

[ForJimmy]

Looks like we have an out in Wharton's contract after next year.  Cap Hit is $19 million dead cap is $4.8.

[frankw]

7 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

I suspect there'll be a significant gap between what we need and what we'll get.

Better backup? Yeah, probably.

Any form of competition for Bryce outside of a team ping pong tournament? Wouldn't bet on it. 

If that is ultimately the course of action the decision makers go with they will be doing so at their own peril. I'll just sit back and wait for it to end the same way it has the last 3 years.

[mrcompletely11]

5 minutes ago, frankw said:

If that is ultimately the course of action the decision makers go with they will be doing so at their own peril. I'll just sit back and wait for it to end the same way it has the last 3 years.

Yep

[PantherChris]

4 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The Turk signing never made any sense. Turk was basically a five tech pass rush specialist in KC benefitting from playing beside one of the best all around DTs in the league. He didn't fit our scheme at all. It was baffling. 

Just another example of a dumb ole Huddler seeing something obvious that our decision makers were evidently blind to.

 

 

This was a knee jerk pivot signing when they lost Milton Williams to the Patriots (who was playing very well prior to getting hurt two weeks ago)

[PantherChris]

4 hours ago, CRA said:

Said when he was drafted, there was a Cam Newton aspect to him.....you almost had to go all in on a one of one offense made just for him.  We made it clear we were never going to do that and therefore the entire thing was pointless.  Putting him in Frank's offense and than Canales O is just mind boggling.  

 I was pro Bryce for a minute.  But once it was clear we were just inserting him into traditional offenses and playcallers? Well, it was time to move on yesterday. 

That all in offense has to have zero routes past the line of scrimmage.... all routes look like the WRs are running a reverse because with bryces patented 15 yard drop backs and complete inability to throw past the LOS the perfect system for him is the 100% exclusive all HORIZONAL PASSING ATTACK

[PantherChris]

3 hours ago, strato said:

The only offense fit for Bryce is his college one. And we know, or should know, that will not work in the NFL. 

Mainly because you can't get the same disparity in talent between his teammates and their opponents in NFL.

[Basbear]

1 hour ago, ForJimmy said:

Looks like we have an out in Wharton's contract after next year.  Cap Hit is $19 million dead cap is $4.8.

Brother re-check that guarantee...my page shows 30mill.....thats means he's staying in my book for at least til the end of 2026. 

Im going to be my normal honest self, besides watching like half of the SB, I didn't know the guy. My guess is Panthers have a "planned model of paying players" and they almost had to spend a chunk of space on a DLman after Dbrown injury season gave them a nightmare out-come of worst D in NFL scoring. Once Milton got above Dbrown payments, they went with the plan B. A player whom the "co-GM" put his name with. Brad said turk would not be a problem off-field and leader, which the Panthers need badly. I dug in with the google-fu, I found out 

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Kyle Long is a cohost of Pushing the Pile podcast on CBS Sports. The other day he was talking about going against Wharton in practice. He said he was the hardest guy to pass block against in a 1 v 1 situation. 

I also found him playing lots of NT, which was shocking given the small frame. He seems ready for a bigger role and had a great SB too. IDK, I feel Dan Morgan was dead set on not going into this season without more DL depth and its there.

The real deal is this, nearly all FA take one year to "adjust". I think turk is trying too hard and causing injuries as a result for his contract. Dbrown called turk "strong as hell" and I know for a fact Dbrowns has insane core and strength numbers. They lift together with the 50 LB difference...... you always lift with a guy who's similar in strength cause you can leave on the 8 wheels, let the other guy lift while you rest and go after him. 

I do wish he had a better beginning to his panther career, 3 games for him to do so and it would cover up the low points if he made a few plays....

Again it felt like they almost had to make move/spend $$$ and Morgan was going to have DL depth this season no matter what...My best guess. 

[PantherChris]

37 minutes ago, Basbear said:

Brother re-check that guarantee...my page shows 30mill.....thats means he's staying in my book for at least til the end of 2026. 

Im going to be my normal honest self, besides watching like half of the SB, I didn't know the guy. My guess is Panthers have a "planned model of paying players" and they almost had to spend a chunk of space on a DLman after Dbrown injury season gave them a nightmare out-come of worst D in NFL scoring. Once Milton got above Dbrown payments, they went with the plan B. A player whom the "co-GM" put his name with. Brad said turk would not be a problem off-field and leader, which the Panthers need badly. I dug in with the google-fu, I found out 

I also found him playing lots of NT, which was shocking given the small frame. He seems ready for a bigger role and had a great SB too. IDK, I feel Dan Morgan was dead set on not going into this season without more DL depth and its there.

The real deal is this, nearly all FA take one year to "adjust". I think turk is trying too hard and causing injuries as a result for his contract. Dbrown called turk "strong as hell" and I know for a fact Dbrowns has insane core and strength numbers. They lift together with the 50 LB difference...... you always lift with a guy who's similar in strength cause you can leave on the 8 wheels, let the other guy lift while you rest and go after him. 

I do wish he had a better beginning to his panther career, 3 games for him to do so and it would cover up the low points if he made a few plays....

Again it felt like they almost had to make move/spend $$$ and Morgan was going to have DL depth this season no matter what...My best guess. 

He's looking at as a post June 1st and calling the 4.8m that we would lose against next years space as the dead money instead of the 20M in actual dead money.

Edited 4 hours ago by PantherChris