Why does Bryce get the blame?

[*FreeFua*]

12 minutes ago, frankw said:

It was a bad play from Icky but the OL didn't give up a sack until late in the 4th quarter and Bryce just stood there like he was canatonic. If our 3rd year number one overall pick can't overcome one single sack against a rebuilding Saints team that should only have 2 wins this season then it isn't ever going to happen. You can login here and act like you are the only one above the fray and rational but in reality you're just boot licking for bottom of the barrel QB play because there isn't anyone associated with the Panthers that you wouldn't throw under several speeding buses in order to run cover for Bryce Young.

I honestly don’t even know what you’re rambling on about here. The OL gave up multiple immediate pressures that Bryce overcame and made plays. Bryce was the main reason this offense was able to move the ball at all on Sunday. Overall the OL isnt a top 10 OL in terms of pass protection which is a Dan Morgan problem. Especially given the amount of cap he’s got tied into them

The box score watching casuals are being exposed in this thread it was only fitting you jumped in

Carry on

 

[frankw]

Just now, *FreeFua* said:

I honestly don’t even know what you’re rambling on about here. The OL gave up multiple immediate pressures that Bryce overcame and made plays. Bryce was the main reason this offense was able to move the ball at all on Sunday. Overall the OL isnt a top 10 OL in terms of pass protection which is a Dan Morgan problem. Especially given the amount of cap he’s got tied into them

The box score watching casuals are being exposed in this thread it was only fitting you jumped in

Carry on

Highest paid OL in the league. Multiple first round WR's.

You can type up as many excuses as you want. If our guy can't produce in THIS pitiful version of the NFCS it's a wrap. Accept it.

[Navy_football]

13 minutes ago, frankw said:

It was a bad play from Icky but the OL didn't give up a sack until late in the 4th quarter and Bryce just stood there like he was canatonic. If our 3rd year number one overall pick can't overcome one single sack against a rebuilding Saints team that should only have 2 wins this season then it isn't ever going to happen. You can login here and act like you are the only one above the fray and rational but in reality you're just boot licking for bottom of the barrel QB play because there isn't anyone associated with the Panthers that you wouldn't throw under several speeding buses in order to run cover for Bryce Young.

Do you think BY avoided any sacks Sunday? Just looking for your opinion. 

[ForJimmy]

2 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

I honestly don’t even know what you’re rambling on about here. The OL gave up multiple immediate pressures that Bryce overcame and made plays. Bryce was the main reason this offense was able to move the ball at all on Sunday. Overall the OL isnt a top 10 OL in terms of pass protection which is a Dan Morgan problem. Especially given the amount of cap he’s got tied into them

The box score watching casuals are being exposed in this thread it was only fitting you jumped in

Carry on

 

Icky alone gave up 5 pressures last Sunday against the Saints.  He was injured in the first half and then was bullied by Chase Young a good bit that game.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, frankw said:

Highest paid OL in the league. Multiple first round WR's.

You can type up as many excuses as you want. If our guy can't produce in THIS pitiful version of the NFCS it's a wrap. Accept it.

To be fair, calling Legette a "first round receiver" is a little misleading.

I would agree though that the OL has generally been good, especially when you tractor in all the injuries. 

[frankw]

Also. I cannot say enough how insane it is that the same people who expect the defense to win us games and complain about the OL while completely ignoring the reality that we went above and beyond to over invest in the OL just to give Bryce Young a chance to look like an average QB. And he still can't do that. But it's everyone else's fault.

Pitiful.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, ForJimmy said:

Icky alone gave up 5 pressures last Sunday against the Saints.  He was injured in the first half and then was bullied by Chase Young a good bit that game.

We took some abuse from Cam Jordan last game, but it's not like that hasn't happened before. 

[frankw]

5 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

Do you think BY avoided any sacks Sunday? Just looking for your opinion. 

Let's keep it real here. BY bailed on the pocket throughout the game. Some of them turned into net positives others were not necessary. And when you reflect on the entire game and see Tyler Shough hanging in the pocket and delivering strikes while getting hit it should drive home to you that this is not what we drafted Bryce Young to do. We drafted him to be a field general and distribute the ball through the air. We were also told he would not need top shelf talent across the board as a result. None of this is okay.

Edited 1 hour ago by frankw

[ForJimmy]

19 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

Do you think BY avoided any sacks Sunday? Just looking for your opinion. 

Do you think you will get a direct answer? 

Icky giving up 5 pressures (playing hurt in his defense) by himself and Bryce only getting sacked once tells you he played well in the pocket.  He extended plays and converted some tough downs.  

[Navy_football]

2 minutes ago, frankw said:

Let's keep it real here. BY bailed on the pocket throughout the game. Some of them turned into net positives others were not necessary. And when you reflect on the entire game and see Tyler Shough hanging in the pocket and delivering strikes while getting hit it should drive home to you that this is not what we drafted Bryce Young to do. We drafted him to be a field general and distribute the ball through the air. We were also told he would not need top shelf talent across the board as a result. None of this is okay.

Roger all that. Do you think BY avoided any sacks last game? This oline is not what you're touting them to be. They are much better then 2023! Much much much better than 2023. But come on now, you'd expect this expensive oline (most are run blocking specialist) to at least dominate in the run game every game. 

And... I keep telling you our WRs and TEs are not that good yet. I mean last Sunday was a prime example. Our receiving targets never make plays like those. Never. And this is from one of the worst teams in the league. Shough could have easily had 3 INTs if not for his receivers making plays on the ball. Our guys just don't do that. XL almost allowed an INT backing up out of bounds instead of coming to the ball. And everyone would have blamed that on BY. That's why he doesn't throw to that dude. I can't recall a game except maybe the second Falcons game - maybe, where I thought our receivers could possibly be better than the other team's. I think TMac and Coker have a lot of potential. But they're aren't consistent. But they're young and WILL improve. I'm confident of that. 

I don't agree that BY was drafted to only stand in the pocket. He has always been best off schedule - for better or worse. 

[frankw]

9 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Do you think you will get a direct answer? 

Icky giving up 5 pressures (playing hurt in his defense) by himself and Bryce only getting sacked once tells you he played well in the pocket.  He extended plays and converted some tough downs.  

I complimented Bryce on some of the maneuvering he did within the pocket but eventually the game got to a point where he needed to stand tall and get the ball to his guys and he could not do that.

We've had this discussion about his legs previously buddy. You don't recall our convo about the sustainability of him as a runner after last years Falcons game at the end of the season?

We didn't draft this kid for his legs.

[frankw]

8 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

Roger all that. Do you think BY avoided any sacks last game? This oline is not what you're touting them to be. They are much better then 2023! Much much much better than 2023. But come on now, you'd expect this expensive oline (most are run blocking specialist) to at least dominate in the run game every game. 

And... I keep telling you our WRs and TEs are not that good yet. I mean last Sunday was a prime example. Our receiving targets never make plays like those. Never. And this is from one of the worst teams in the league. Shough could have easily had 3 INTs if not for his receivers making plays on the ball. Our guys just don't do that. XL almost allowed an INT backing up out of bounds instead of coming to the ball. And everyone would have blamed that on BY. That's why he doesn't throw to that dude. I can't recall a game except maybe the second Falcons game - maybe, where I thought our receivers could possibly be better than the other team's. I think TMac and Coker have a lot of potential. But they're aren't consistent. But they're young and WILL improve. I'm confident of that. 

I don't agree that BY was drafted to only stand in the pocket. He has always been best off schedule - for better or worse. 

Covered that above.

As for his weapons I am completely over the scapegoating of the receivers. Been doing this for now going on three full years and I'm done hearing it. At some point if you have a franchise QB he either makes the players around him better or he doesn't.

Now if you want to get into Canales I am willing to give him just as much smoke as Bryce because we had options for head coach and we chose to go offensive head coach again to oversee the development of our steep investments in the offense. So far said development is lacking to say the least and we came out of the bye week with the division and playoffs to play for looking like the less motivated team. That is unacceptable.

[ForJimmy]

26 minutes ago, frankw said:

I complimented Bryce on some of the maneuvering he did within the pocket but eventually the game got to a point where he needed to stand tall and get the ball to his guys and he could not do that.

We've had this discussion about his legs previously buddy. You don't recall our convo about the sustainability of him as a runner after last years Falcons game at the end of the season?

We didn't draft this kid for his legs.

Running to extend plays and avoid sacks was definitely one of the reasons he was drafted, I mean that was pretty much his specialty in college.  I honestly didn't think that would translate very well at this level, but he had become pretty elusive in the pocket.  If our OL is having a bad day, which all OL do, he needs to use his legs to help them out which I think he did pretty well last week.

[SmokinwithWilly]

1 hour ago, frankw said:

Let's keep it real here. BY bailed on the pocket throughout the game. Some of them turned into net positives others were not necessary. And when you reflect on the entire game and see Tyler Shough hanging in the pocket and delivering strikes while getting hit it should drive home to you that this is not what we drafted Bryce Young to do. We drafted him to be a field general and distribute the ball through the air. We were also told he would not need top shelf talent across the board as a result. None of this is okay.

Our line is built to run 1st, not pass block. Our LT was drafted as a run blocking mauler, not the pass pro ready. To top it off, our coach can't recognize which RB is actually producing in game. 

Another issue is we have a QB that can't play effectively from inside a tight pocket. He can't see the field. His sight line is below the shoulder pads of most linemen. Stepping up into a tight pocket is essentially going blind for him. Top OL play is always going to be an issue because unless we can keep huge gaps, his field vision will be limited. It's why he's so quick to bail and scramble. 

It's why I can't do floor seats with my wife. I'm 6'3 and my vision still gets blocked. She's 5'3 and she's blind. It's front row or regular tiered seats.