Why does Bryce get the blame?

[frankw]

8 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Running to extend plays and avoid sacks was definitely one of the reasons he was drafted, I mean that was pretty much his specialty in college.  I honestly didn't think that would translate very well at this level, but he had become pretty elusive in the pocket.  If our OL is having a bad day, which all OL do, he needs to use his legs to help them out which I think he did pretty well last week.

Making something out of nothing and improvising was a big part of his selling point but it was always primarily as a passer distributing the ball aka point guard.

But he had 185 rushing yards in 2 full seasons at Alabama. Again. We didn't draft him for his legs no matter how many times someone wants engage in revisionist history.

Edited 18 hours ago by frankw

[mav1234]

6 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

yikes, but mac and bone told me this very morning that he has been a top PFF qb for the last 4 weeks

Maybe the last 4 but over the season pff likes him as much as any stat measure lol

[frankw]

6 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Our line is built to run 1st, not pass block. Our LT was drafted as a run blocking mauler, not the pass pro ready. To top it off, our coach can't recognize which RB is actually producing in game. 

Another issue is we have a QB that can't play effectively from inside a tight pocket. He can't see the field. His sight line is below the shoulder pads of most linemen. Stepping up into a tight pocket is essentially going blind for him. Top OL play is always going to be an issue because unless we can keep huge gaps, his field vision will be limited. It's why he's so quick to bail and scramble. 

It's why I can't do floor seats with my wife. I'm 6'3 and my vision still gets blocked. She's 5'3 and she's blind. It's front row or regular tiered seats. 

We go out of our way not to attack the middle of the field if we can avoid it which is due to Bryce's lack of vision. We learned about that the hard way in his rookie season and it was not pretty. And that only makes things more difficult for our OL in pass blocking. There's 3 years worth of game tape on this. Passes to the sideline are also hit and miss at best and occasionally Bryce will throw a dime along the sideline but for the most part the receiver has to either slow down or fully stop in his tracks and make an acrobatic move to have a chance to haul in the throw in bounds.

[Khyber53]

3 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

I could try and predict our future or I could just go straight to banging my head on the wall

The plot of this franchise over the Tepper era has been like a bad movie.

More like a series of books that you pre-paid for a subscription to and now this many issues in you have to keep reading them because you are already so invested, even though it just keeps getting worse.

I think those books are being written by AI now. Tommy Tremble had seven fingers on the last cover.

[SmokinwithWilly]

30 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

More like a series of books that you pre-paid for a subscription to and now this many issues in you have to keep reading them because you are already so invested, even though it just keeps getting worse.

I think those books are being written by AI now. Tommy Tremble had seven fingers on the last cover.

Sounds like there may have been a Time Life series or two in your household at some point.

[carolinanimal]

1 hour ago, frankw said:

We go out of our way not to attack the middle of the field if we can avoid it which is due to Bryce's lack of vision. We learned about that the hard way in his rookie season and it was not pretty. And that only makes things more difficult for our OL in pass blocking. There's 3 years worth of game tape on this. Passes to the sideline are also hit and miss at best and occasionally Bryce will throw a dime along the sideline but for the most part the receiver has to either slow down or fully stop in his tracks and make an acrobatic move to have a chance to haul in the throw in bounds.

i presented this in another thread. he throws better to the out breaking routes the wr run, but almost nothing to the inside. that is half the options on a wr route tree. How do you run an offense like that? 

even the outbreaking routes he throws are moonballs, that allow the DBs to catch up unless the wr is wide open. he has to throw with a lot of anticipation becuase he doesnt have the arm strenght to get it there if he is a little late. thats probably why you see balls behind the wrs.  

[ForJimmy]

2 hours ago, frankw said:

Making something out of nothing and improvising was a big part of his selling point but it was always primarily as a passer distributing the ball aka point guard.

But he had 185 rushing yards in 2 full seasons at Alabama. Again. We didn't draft him for his legs no matter how many times someone wants engage in revisionist history.

Evading sacks and extending plays aren’t rushing yards. We are talking about him avoiding sacks and you have to branch off into some other category like rushing yards. We are at the point where it’s near impossible to even have a conversation with you about a certain QB. 

[CRA]

 

7 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Evading sacks and extending plays aren’t rushing yards. We are talking about him avoiding sacks and you have to branch off into some other category like rushing yards. We are at the point where it’s near impossible to even have a conversation with you about a certain QB. 

Sometimes Bryce is also extending plays because he kills them by not making the throws……where other QBs would/do. 

Bryce is slippery.  It probably is his greatest feature.  But every example of him showing it off isn’t actually good. 

[frankw]

13 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Evading sacks and extending plays aren’t rushing yards. We are talking about him avoiding sacks and you have to branch off into some other category like rushing yards. We are at the point where it’s near impossible to even have a conversation with you about a certain QB. 

If anyone feels like they can't have a conversation about Bryce Young nearly three full seasons into his career maybe assess why and how these conversations end this way instead of looking to shoot the messenger.

Why is it okay to label anyone else on the team or coaching staff trash?

Folks on the huddle and across the fanbase on social media have fully thrown anyone and everyone including rookie 8th overall pick TMac fully under the bus multiple times this season.

But some of you guys apparently expect a pat on the back because Bryce Young successfully evaded a few potential sacks while Tyler Shough got consumed by our pass rush throughout the game and still had a superior performance. The state of this division is hilariously mediocre at best.

Bryce Young is the only player on this roster who is allowed to have the lowest bar possible yet we have invested the most resources in him. It's lunacy.

Edited 16 hours ago by frankw

[ForJimmy]

35 minutes ago, CRA said:

 

Sometimes Bryce is also extending plays because he kills them by not making the throws……where other QBs would/do. 

Bryce is slippery.  It probably is his greatest feature.  But every example of him showing it off isn’t actually good. 

I’d agree with that. His rookie year he created extra sacks as well. I think lately he has gotten better at avoiding pressure and Sunday was a good example of that. That’s really all I was saying until it got branched off into “revisionist history” and “rushing yards.”  This is where we are at though with him. Some people can’t even have a normal conversation after him.

[frankw]

The notion that people are just biased against Bryce Young is both laughable and offensive.

It's crazy looking back at how bitter and ugly conversations got about Cam Newton here in the past even when he had us competing in and winning the division people hated him. And that was in a division with prime Drew Brees and Matt Ryan!

We've got a 24 year old #1 overall pick that can't even take the reigns of a ridiculously weakened division when it's ripe for the taking and the only team that stands in our way is the rebuilding Saints. But if you speak out of school you're a pariah and one of those fans that is holding the franchise back.

Legitimately fug these people.

[*FreeFua*]

11 minutes ago, frankw said:

The notion that people are just biased against Bryce Young is both laughable and offensive.

It's crazy looking back at how bitter and ugly conversations got about Cam Newton here in the past even when he had us competing in and winning the division people hated him. And that was in a division with prime Drew Brees and Matt Ryan!

We've got a 24 year old #1 overall pick that can't even take the reigns of a ridiculously weakened division when it's ripe for the taking and the only team that stands in our way is the rebuilding Saints. But if you speak out of school you're a pariah and one of those fans that is holding the franchise back.

Legitimately fug these people.

[carolinanimal]

20 minutes ago, frankw said:

The notion that people are just biased against Bryce Young is both laughable and offensive.

It's crazy looking back at how bitter and ugly conversations got about Cam Newton here in the past even when he had us competing in and winning the division people hated him. And that was in a division with prime Drew Brees and Matt Ryan!

We've got a 24 year old #1 overall pick that can't even take the reigns of a ridiculously weakened division when it's ripe for the taking and the only team that stands in our way is the rebuilding Saints. But if you speak out of school you're a pariah and one of those fans that is holding the franchise back.

Legitimately fug these people.

dont worry about them. they are just trolling now. there is not one aspect of Bryce youngs game that is top tier or elite after 3 years. nothing. Let them keep making excuses. 

[ForJimmy]

1 hour ago, frankw said:

The notion that people are just biased against Bryce Young is both laughable and offensive.

It's crazy looking back at how bitter and ugly conversations got about Cam Newton here in the past even when he had us competing in and winning the division people hated him. And that was in a division with prime Drew Brees and Matt Ryan!

We've got a 24 year old #1 overall pick that can't even take the reigns of a ridiculously weakened division when it's ripe for the taking and the only team that stands in our way is the rebuilding Saints. But if you speak out of school you're a pariah and one of those fans that is holding the franchise back.

Legitimately fug these people.

It’s more like we mentioned he avoided pressure well last game and we get this little meltdown of yours as a response. You went on some rambling nonsense about rushing yards which no one was talking about and now we are left with a final “legitimately fug these people.” My God man, pull yourself together. Oh but you aren’t biased against him right?